1 00:00:37,450 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,410 --> 00:00:41,750 explode the bazaars are your e-ticket 3 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:44,420 ride into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:47,730 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:57,170 --> 00:00:52,010 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:00,860 --> 00:00:57,180 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well 7 00:01:05,780 --> 00:01:00,870 as other dimensions it's time to take 8 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:05,790 back the night now your electrifying 9 00:01:17,090 --> 00:01:09,030 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 10 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:17,100 Begley and team sports wow we're really 11 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:19,740 high up here Tim look can you see the 12 00:01:25,999 --> 00:01:22,350 earth down there far below I can see my 13 00:01:27,889 --> 00:01:26,009 house from here well your house isn't 14 00:01:30,109 --> 00:01:27,899 exactly one of the landmarks we were 15 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:30,119 looking for but it's a good place to 16 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:30,570 start 17 00:01:36,050 --> 00:01:33,330 well there's the Great Pyramid look how 18 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:36,060 tall that is do you think that the the 19 00:01:40,940 --> 00:01:39,119 aliens really help build that I don't 20 00:01:42,830 --> 00:01:40,950 know but from here I can also see the 21 00:01:46,609 --> 00:01:42,840 Great Wall of China who said that you 22 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:46,619 can't see it from space I can well and 23 00:01:51,980 --> 00:01:48,720 there's the Nazca lines I don't know 24 00:01:53,749 --> 00:01:51,990 what order we're going in here but there 25 00:01:56,809 --> 00:01:53,759 really are some strange figures down 26 00:02:00,169 --> 00:01:56,819 there on the Peruvian plane 27 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:00,179 it's a remarkable manifestation whether 28 00:02:06,109 --> 00:02:03,840 it was done by extraterrestrials or not 29 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:06,119 I guess we've got a lot of places to 30 00:02:13,699 --> 00:02:10,950 visit tonight don't we Tim yes yes we do 31 00:02:18,170 --> 00:02:13,709 and we're gonna see them all all from 32 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:18,180 this great and wonderful height Tim well 33 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:21,120 you know it's always good to be high but 34 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:24,150 you know I think before you introduce 35 00:02:33,050 --> 00:02:30,360 tonight's guest we should make a comment 36 00:02:36,290 --> 00:02:33,060 here on what I consider to be a very sad 37 00:02:38,449 --> 00:02:36,300 news now it's not a passing of a friend 38 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:38,459 like JC Johnson a couple of weeks ago 39 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:42,650 but we have just received word that our 40 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:46,110 longtime trusted and valuable friend and 41 00:02:56,020 --> 00:02:50,580 associate Brad's Tiger is giving up 42 00:03:00,560 --> 00:02:56,030 his smith-corona typewriter and retiring 43 00:03:04,460 --> 00:03:00,570 after his next book is published in July 44 00:03:08,780 --> 00:03:04,470 and I believe it is phantoms yes yes 45 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:08,790 like phantoms and hauntings and I don't 46 00:03:13,670 --> 00:03:11,820 know exactly what the finished title of 47 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:13,680 his newest book will be yeah 48 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:16,310 well I know it'll be a published by 49 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:22,890 invisible ink visible ink no I guess I 50 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:24,690 hope they're I hope they're visible at 51 00:03:29,750 --> 00:03:26,910 least in the case of this book but yeah 52 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:29,760 you know it I've known Brad I first met 53 00:03:39,260 --> 00:03:34,410 Brad in 1967 at the gym Moseley is very 54 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:39,270 famous or infamous New York City UFO 55 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:42,090 conference that attracted over 10,000 56 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:45,120 people and Brad had just written his 57 00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:49,770 first paperback book on UFOs 58 00:03:55,490 --> 00:03:52,350 it was now help me out here strangers 59 00:03:59,979 --> 00:03:55,500 from the sky yeah I believe it was 60 00:04:03,830 --> 00:03:59,989 called and it was a collection of a UFO 61 00:04:07,070 --> 00:04:03,840 stories and that was the start of his a 62 00:04:09,290 --> 00:04:07,080 career now I do think that he had books 63 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:09,300 published before paperback books I know 64 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:13,290 he did a book on Rudolph Valentino that 65 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:17,010 was later made in a motion picture and 66 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:20,400 he did a lot of books that I would put 67 00:04:25,490 --> 00:04:22,770 in the same category like potboilers 68 00:04:27,740 --> 00:04:25,500 like Frank Edwards did you know strange 69 00:04:31,420 --> 00:04:27,750 this and unknown that and unexplained so 70 00:04:34,670 --> 00:04:31,430 forth and so on but then he got down to 71 00:04:37,850 --> 00:04:34,680 some very serious of research over the 72 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:37,860 years now I don't know how many books 73 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:41,250 he's written but he's certainly the far 74 00:04:46,670 --> 00:04:44,669 ahead of anybody although I think Nick 75 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:46,680 Redford has tried to catch up with him 76 00:04:52,969 --> 00:04:51,210 and you and I are not too far behind but 77 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:52,979 he certainly holds the record for the 78 00:04:59,029 --> 00:04:56,010 number of books on the paranormal and 79 00:05:02,480 --> 00:04:59,039 and a lot of them or most of them have 80 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:02,490 been rare really well very well put 81 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:04,320 together bread is a 82 00:05:11,420 --> 00:05:09,300 a greater researcher and a very great 83 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:11,430 writer I mean he he concerned the 84 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:14,280 material into well I had he's got 85 00:05:19,150 --> 00:05:16,770 hundreds of thousands of followers all 86 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:19,160 over the world and his books have sold 87 00:05:27,830 --> 00:05:24,410 millions of copies so magista see him 88 00:05:30,380 --> 00:05:27,840 you know retiring at this point but 89 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:30,390 we're going to you know prod him from 90 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:32,970 time to time to perhaps that do a 91 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:36,530 special chapter for one of our 92 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:39,570 anthologies that we put on and I know 93 00:05:43,730 --> 00:05:41,310 how many of Brad's books you must have 94 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:43,740 read over the years that debt oh yeah 95 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:47,490 well probably the first look dealing 96 00:05:51,380 --> 00:05:49,530 with the paranormal and the supernatural 97 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:51,390 that I ever bought you know with my own 98 00:05:57,530 --> 00:05:53,730 allowance money when I was a kid was a 99 00:05:58,880 --> 00:05:57,540 Brad Snyder book and and and then you 100 00:06:00,980 --> 00:05:58,890 know anytime that I'd run across to 101 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:00,990 anything that that he put out I would 102 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:03,690 always buy it so it was an especial it 103 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:05,580 was especially a thrill for me when I 104 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:09,450 had the opportunity to contribute a 105 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:14,490 number of times for some of his more you 106 00:06:21,550 --> 00:06:17,310 know some of his more recent books so 107 00:06:24,770 --> 00:06:21,560 yeah I'm really sad that that Brad is 108 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:24,780 putting down his typewriter but you know 109 00:06:31,310 --> 00:06:28,890 I mean it's his contributions to this 110 00:06:33,770 --> 00:06:31,320 field over the years have been priceless 111 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:33,780 and you know I don't know if anybody 112 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:38,190 else is really going to to be able to 113 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:41,730 match the just the fantastic work that 114 00:06:47,060 --> 00:06:42,810 he's been able to do 115 00:06:50,020 --> 00:06:47,070 III certainly agree with you but tonight 116 00:06:53,690 --> 00:06:50,030 we have on two interesting guests and 117 00:06:57,310 --> 00:06:53,700 certainly one of them is right up there 118 00:07:00,500 --> 00:06:57,320 as far as being a leader in writing on a 119 00:07:02,270 --> 00:07:00,510 parapsychology and the occult I'm not 120 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:02,280 sure exactly how many books he has to 121 00:07:07,700 --> 00:07:03,690 catch up with the bra 122 00:07:10,190 --> 00:07:07,710 Brad's number there but she certainly is 123 00:07:12,980 --> 00:07:10,200 turning out some good quality material 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:12,990 so Tim why don't you introduce our guest 125 00:07:18,020 --> 00:07:15,810 for this evening so we can contribute 126 00:07:20,810 --> 00:07:18,030 that continue our 127 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:20,820 Roadtrip here all right well it'd be my 128 00:07:26,330 --> 00:07:23,760 pleasure Jim with us tonight is we've 129 00:07:29,330 --> 00:07:26,340 got as always two excellent guest we 130 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:29,340 have rosemary ellen guiley who is making 131 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:33,090 a return visit to exploring the bazaar 132 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:35,250 now rosemary is one of the leading 133 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:36,810 figures in the paranormal and 134 00:07:41,390 --> 00:07:39,110 metaphysical field author researcher 135 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:41,400 investigator radio show host and 136 00:07:46,430 --> 00:07:43,970 publisher she's written more than 60 137 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:46,440 non-fiction books on a wide range of 138 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:51,350 topics including a series of 139 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:53,250 authoritative single volume 140 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:55,770 encyclopedias she is often the go-to 141 00:08:01,790 --> 00:07:58,650 person for explanations of unusual 142 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:01,800 phenomena and event now rosemary is a 143 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:03,510 board director and member of the 144 00:08:08,180 --> 00:08:05,550 Research Committee of the Edgar Mitchell 145 00:08:10,220 --> 00:08:08,190 foundation for research into 146 00:08:12,140 --> 00:08:10,230 extraterrestrial encounters and as a 147 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:12,150 board director a book review editor for 148 00:08:16,580 --> 00:08:14,330 the Academy for spiritual and 149 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:16,590 consciousness studies she's a founding 150 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:18,290 member of the afterlife research and 151 00:08:23,510 --> 00:08:21,090 education Institute and a fellow of the 152 00:08:26,930 --> 00:08:23,520 International Institute for integral 153 00:08:29,750 --> 00:08:26,940 human sciences in Montreal rosemary 154 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:29,760 makes numerous media appearances and 155 00:08:33,469 --> 00:08:31,140 lectures internationally and she's a 156 00:08:37,070 --> 00:08:33,479 frequent guest on coast-to-coast am with 157 00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:37,080 George Noory and AD now on exploring the 158 00:08:43,610 --> 00:08:40,500 bizarre and now with us as well is 159 00:08:45,890 --> 00:08:43,620 Michael Bryan's Michael is an author 160 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:45,900 lecturer consultant and travel 161 00:08:50,810 --> 00:08:48,450 storyteller adventurer publisher of 162 00:08:54,350 --> 00:08:50,820 travel books and guides he earned his 163 00:08:58,580 --> 00:08:54,360 PhD in social psychology with a 164 00:09:01,640 --> 00:08:58,590 specialty in psychology all things 165 00:09:04,550 --> 00:09:01,650 travel as well as an MBA in at the 166 00:09:06,830 --> 00:09:04,560 University of Hawaii he has had a career 167 00:09:09,370 --> 00:09:06,840 for more than twenty years as a college 168 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:09,380 professor in psychology and business 169 00:09:14,990 --> 00:09:11,910 teaching at a variety of universities in 170 00:09:17,690 --> 00:09:15,000 Hawaii as well as an overseas two-year 171 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:17,700 stint teaching for the University of 172 00:09:22,310 --> 00:09:19,770 Maryland in Europe I didn't know there 173 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:22,320 was a University of Maryland in Europe 174 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:26,990 now Michaels Travel Guide series is 175 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:29,820 called Michael Brian's travel guides to 176 00:09:33,610 --> 00:09:31,290 sight seen by pub 177 00:09:37,220 --> 00:09:33,620 transportation is a first-of-its-kind 178 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:37,230 showing travelers how to cite see that 179 00:09:42,769 --> 00:09:40,410 top 50 visitor attractions in the 180 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:42,779 world's most popular cities easily and 181 00:09:48,079 --> 00:09:45,889 cheaply by public transportation as well 182 00:09:51,170 --> 00:09:48,089 michael has been the state director for 183 00:09:54,019 --> 00:09:51,180 Hawaii and ambassador-at-large for MUFON 184 00:09:56,210 --> 00:09:54,029 the largest UFO organization in the 185 00:10:00,170 --> 00:09:56,220 United States with a significant 186 00:10:02,090 --> 00:10:00,180 worldwide presence as well now the the 187 00:10:04,999 --> 00:10:02,100 book that we are going to be discussing 188 00:10:07,220 --> 00:10:05,009 tonight among other things that rosemary 189 00:10:12,199 --> 00:10:07,230 and Michael has written is called the 190 00:10:14,269 --> 00:10:12,209 road to strange UFOs travel UFOs aliens 191 00:10:18,019 --> 00:10:14,279 and high strangeness which published by 192 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:18,029 visionary living incorporated so Michael 193 00:10:21,889 --> 00:10:19,470 rosemary thank you very much for being 194 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:21,899 with us tonight on exploring the bizarre 195 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:24,569 welcome glad to be here always a 196 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:28,380 pleasure well you know I I just the one 197 00:10:32,509 --> 00:10:30,690 thing that I say looking back at my 198 00:10:35,540 --> 00:10:32,519 career in my life that I would have 199 00:10:38,389 --> 00:10:35,550 liked to have dead Laura is traveling 200 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:38,399 now I have you know I've been the killer 201 00:10:44,030 --> 00:10:41,610 and and throw but I I guess I would have 202 00:10:47,689 --> 00:10:44,040 liked to have spent less time behind the 203 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:47,699 typewriter and and more on the on the 204 00:10:53,569 --> 00:10:49,560 road I mean I've been to all the popular 205 00:10:56,809 --> 00:10:53,579 places you know but the area 51 and I 206 00:10:59,930 --> 00:10:56,819 even spoke of course that the House of 207 00:11:04,460 --> 00:10:59,940 Lords on UFOs we were unofficial UFO a 208 00:11:07,059 --> 00:11:04,470 group and been to Loch Ness and you know 209 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:07,069 so I've been around I've been to the 210 00:11:13,809 --> 00:11:10,380 paranormal hotspots but I'm sure that 211 00:11:18,050 --> 00:11:13,819 there are a heck of a lot more places to 212 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:18,060 travel to so now Michael let's start out 213 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:21,290 with you how did you get both the 214 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:25,529 traveling bug and the paranormal bug 215 00:11:32,389 --> 00:11:29,250 well it's really interesting I was on a 216 00:11:35,059 --> 00:11:32,399 career path doing all the right things 217 00:11:39,470 --> 00:11:35,069 being brought up in the Big East Coast 218 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:39,480 City Philadelphia working my way up as a 219 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:41,130 top graduate student in the Department 220 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:44,880 of Psychology at Temple University and 221 00:11:50,300 --> 00:11:46,890 on a path to becoming a clinical 222 00:11:53,780 --> 00:11:50,310 psychologist and just at the point when 223 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:53,790 I finished my master's degree I was 224 00:11:59,210 --> 00:11:56,510 offered a four-year fully paid 225 00:12:02,000 --> 00:11:59,220 fellowship to do my PhD at Temple 226 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:02,010 University in clinical psychology and I 227 00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:03,510 scratched my head and I thought to 228 00:12:10,420 --> 00:12:06,600 myself huh I don't know if I want to 229 00:12:13,430 --> 00:12:10,430 devote my whole life to to dealing with 230 00:12:15,170 --> 00:12:13,440 mental disorders and mental illness you 231 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:15,180 know and I thought oh my god you know 232 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:18,210 what what is an alternative to this so I 233 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:20,400 picked up and I walked away from all 234 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:22,650 that and decided I'll go to the 235 00:12:28,130 --> 00:12:25,110 University of Hawaii and study the 236 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:28,140 psychology of travel first my parents 237 00:12:31,610 --> 00:12:29,760 wanted to put me in a mental institution 238 00:12:33,380 --> 00:12:31,620 right then and there 239 00:12:35,930 --> 00:12:33,390 how could you give up something like 240 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:35,940 this but I did I was bitten by the 241 00:12:40,610 --> 00:12:36,930 travel bug 242 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:40,620 I developed a curiosity about what 243 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:42,660 travel was all about I wanted to do more 244 00:12:48,740 --> 00:12:44,970 of it and I thought I'd rather sit on 245 00:12:52,790 --> 00:12:48,750 the beach studying for my PhD exams than 246 00:12:55,730 --> 00:12:52,800 be running a mental health clinic in a 247 00:13:00,200 --> 00:12:55,740 big grey dismal city on the East Coast 248 00:13:02,030 --> 00:13:00,210 and and where I would have been I would 249 00:13:04,030 --> 00:13:02,040 have been right there behind you man in 250 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:04,040 a Hawaiian shirt I'll tell you that that 251 00:13:09,470 --> 00:13:07,650 and my and my shorts that's that's for 252 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:09,480 sure well I think you made you made a 253 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:14,610 clever and a in a good decision so what 254 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:20,060 was your first trip as far as the 255 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:22,890 paranormal goes I mean how did you kind 256 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:26,310 of coast into that well I you know I was 257 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:28,650 I was always interested in it I was 258 00:13:35,630 --> 00:13:32,220 interested in the subject of UFOs and I 259 00:13:40,250 --> 00:13:35,640 discovered I was having a few paranormal 260 00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:40,260 kinds of experiences in my life and when 261 00:13:47,570 --> 00:13:44,820 I started doing my traveling I had 262 00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:47,580 probably a half a dozen for one of 263 00:13:52,580 --> 00:13:50,100 another term paranormal experiences in 264 00:13:53,870 --> 00:13:52,590 my own travels so I started to think 265 00:13:56,990 --> 00:13:53,880 maybe it has 266 00:13:59,870 --> 00:13:57,000 there's something about traveling that 267 00:14:03,260 --> 00:13:59,880 that makes you prone to to having 268 00:14:06,770 --> 00:14:03,270 experiences maybe your mind opens up a 269 00:14:09,950 --> 00:14:06,780 little bit more as travel seems to be 270 00:14:12,890 --> 00:14:09,960 you know and so I began interviewing 271 00:14:15,890 --> 00:14:12,900 people wherever I could find them I I 272 00:14:17,630 --> 00:14:15,900 would sit people down and start 273 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:17,640 recording their experiences because I 274 00:14:21,650 --> 00:14:19,170 thought well the best way to really 275 00:14:23,690 --> 00:14:21,660 learn about what travel is all about is 276 00:14:24,380 --> 00:14:23,700 to ask people in addition to doing it 277 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:24,390 myself 278 00:14:31,540 --> 00:14:28,370 and so some 1,800 to 2,000 people layer 279 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:31,550 with hundreds of hours of recorded 280 00:14:36,020 --> 00:14:34,890 stories and then asking questions all 281 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:36,030 the time well how did you feel about 282 00:14:39,950 --> 00:14:38,490 that what did you do next what would you 283 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:39,960 have done to avoid that horrible 284 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:43,110 situation all of a sudden I wound up 285 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:45,060 years later with six or seven hundred 286 00:14:50,300 --> 00:14:47,250 hours of recorded interviews about 287 00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:50,310 travel and also paranormal events and 288 00:14:55,730 --> 00:14:53,070 also ufology because I was also having a 289 00:14:58,070 --> 00:14:55,740 parallel interest in ufology and I found 290 00:14:59,600 --> 00:14:58,080 myself going to conferences everywhere 291 00:15:04,040 --> 00:14:59,610 well there's so many there's so many 292 00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:04,050 questions that that you know so many 293 00:15:10,510 --> 00:15:06,630 directions ahead with this well was 294 00:15:14,930 --> 00:15:10,520 there any type of paranormal experience 295 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:14,940 that kind of seemed to repeat itself and 296 00:15:20,900 --> 00:15:18,510 are there are there spots or areas of 297 00:15:23,390 --> 00:15:20,910 the world where you are more likely to 298 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:23,400 have a paranormal experience if you're 299 00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:25,980 traveling well I think the answer is yes 300 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:32,160 yes and yes I found for myself in 301 00:15:41,090 --> 00:15:37,530 particular that I've had a couple of 302 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:41,100 kind of premonition Airy experiences in 303 00:15:46,010 --> 00:15:43,890 my travels for example I'll give you two 304 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:46,020 really good cases and point both of 305 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:48,690 these stories are in our first book 306 00:15:56,329 --> 00:15:51,060 rosemary and mine first book travel 307 00:16:00,290 --> 00:15:56,339 tells of the paranormal and beyond I was 308 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:00,300 driving through the Italian Alps and it 309 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:02,010 was a beautiful day and the mountains 310 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:03,870 were just fantastic and there's just 311 00:16:10,930 --> 00:16:06,930 nothing like it as any of you know who's 312 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:10,940 been to the Alps in Europe but then some 313 00:16:18,970 --> 00:16:14,630 I started to get a overwhelming feeling 314 00:16:22,510 --> 00:16:18,980 of dread and lo and behold as we came 315 00:16:26,290 --> 00:16:22,520 around a bend somewhere I suddenly in 316 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:26,300 front of me unfolded what looked like an 317 00:16:32,290 --> 00:16:28,850 area of complete disaster Shell's of 318 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:32,300 buildings carcasses of buildings and 319 00:16:36,460 --> 00:16:34,610 then I learned about a year earlier 320 00:16:39,210 --> 00:16:36,470 there had been a huge flood that 321 00:16:41,470 --> 00:16:39,220 overwhelmed a dam and it killed about 322 00:16:44,770 --> 00:16:41,480 something in the range of 2,000 or so 323 00:16:47,470 --> 00:16:44,780 people I was picking up on that prior to 324 00:16:50,020 --> 00:16:47,480 arriving to that scene whatever the 325 00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:50,030 energy was of that an incident number 326 00:16:56,830 --> 00:16:53,120 two which is equally kind of interesting 327 00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:56,840 I had I was researching my Travel Guide 328 00:17:02,770 --> 00:17:00,320 to Barcelona and in order to avoid the 329 00:17:04,510 --> 00:17:02,780 horrible traffic and difficulty finding 330 00:17:08,410 --> 00:17:04,520 a place to park I parked out in the 331 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:08,420 suburbs of Barcelona along a busy street 332 00:17:14,140 --> 00:17:11,930 by beach I thought and goodness you know 333 00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:14,150 with good visibility by people not just 334 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:16,880 isolated down an alley somewhere and I 335 00:17:22,510 --> 00:17:19,250 hopped on the Metro went downtown and 336 00:17:24,790 --> 00:17:22,520 did my research and I started back and 337 00:17:27,010 --> 00:17:24,800 again it was a nice day I had a great 338 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:27,020 day accomplished a lot felt really good 339 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:29,570 about it and then I started having this 340 00:17:36,130 --> 00:17:32,770 again this kind of overwhelming anxiety 341 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:36,140 I don't know how else to put it and as I 342 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:39,530 got closer and closer to the stop where 343 00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:42,890 else to get off I just really was so 344 00:17:48,730 --> 00:17:46,070 anxious I just couldn't understand what 345 00:17:50,980 --> 00:17:48,740 it was but I knew to pay attention to it 346 00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:50,990 and I got out and I started down the 347 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:52,960 street to where my car was 348 00:17:59,200 --> 00:17:56,000 Volkswagen bus and all of a sudden I saw 349 00:18:01,780 --> 00:17:59,210 a broken glass on the street and my door 350 00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:01,790 was open to the bus and I thought oh my 351 00:18:07,630 --> 00:18:05,000 god that was it it was broken into but 352 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:07,640 that's the bad news the good news was a 353 00:18:12,220 --> 00:18:09,650 Spanish couple that had been out there 354 00:18:14,890 --> 00:18:12,230 on the beach told me that they were 355 00:18:18,670 --> 00:18:14,900 going home to have lunch they heard my 356 00:18:21,060 --> 00:18:18,680 siren go off it lasted for a long time 357 00:18:24,159 --> 00:18:21,070 they took a look over there they saw 358 00:18:26,619 --> 00:18:24,169 people running from my van jumping 359 00:18:30,060 --> 00:18:26,629 in a car driving off well I had this 360 00:18:32,919 --> 00:18:30,070 fantastic alarm system that scared the 361 00:18:35,289 --> 00:18:32,929 whatever out of these guys they didn't 362 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:35,299 take anything and they sped off but it 363 00:18:40,810 --> 00:18:37,809 was clear to me that I had anticipated 364 00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:40,820 something really horrible and it was 365 00:18:48,669 --> 00:18:42,440 like that experience in the Italian Alps 366 00:18:52,269 --> 00:18:48,679 and just traveling maybe predisposes you 367 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:52,279 not only to experience you know beyond 368 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:54,769 the pale all the wonderful things we 369 00:19:01,629 --> 00:18:58,730 want to learn and personally grow and 370 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:01,639 develop ourselves with but but even at 371 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:05,049 the level of basic security it kicks in 372 00:19:12,999 --> 00:19:09,049 since high end and so those are two 373 00:19:15,849 --> 00:19:13,009 examples okay and how about okay you 374 00:19:17,999 --> 00:19:15,859 know of all the other cases you say I do 375 00:19:20,499 --> 00:19:18,009 eighteen hundred or something like that 376 00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:20,509 it does there seem to be any kind of 377 00:19:25,259 --> 00:19:22,580 pattern I mean this kind of anxiety 378 00:19:29,049 --> 00:19:25,269 would that be a high up on the list of 379 00:19:30,999 --> 00:19:29,059 the type of people type of experiences 380 00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:31,009 that people would have and beyond that 381 00:19:39,399 --> 00:19:36,080 what else yeah I'm sure people often may 382 00:19:43,869 --> 00:19:39,409 refer to as intuitions so people have 383 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:43,879 these feelings and intuitions about you 384 00:19:46,779 --> 00:19:45,590 know being careful what they're doing 385 00:19:48,909 --> 00:19:46,789 and where they're going and who they're 386 00:19:50,889 --> 00:19:48,919 talking to and so on and so forth but I 387 00:19:53,799 --> 00:19:50,899 felt that people's paranoia apparent 388 00:19:55,539 --> 00:19:53,809 paranormal experiences covered a lot of 389 00:19:58,349 --> 00:19:55,549 different things I I think for example 390 00:20:01,389 --> 00:19:58,359 we have a story in our book on 391 00:20:05,710 --> 00:20:01,399 paranormal experiences of a woman who 392 00:20:07,269 --> 00:20:05,720 traveled to Ireland and for all intent 393 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:07,279 purposes it seemed like she was 394 00:20:14,769 --> 00:20:11,929 connecting conceivably with something 395 00:20:17,710 --> 00:20:14,779 about her being you know you want to 396 00:20:19,149 --> 00:20:17,720 call it maybe a past life as some people 397 00:20:24,129 --> 00:20:19,159 refer to these things but she has a 398 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:24,139 special connection with entities spirits 399 00:20:31,749 --> 00:20:28,070 whatever you want to call them that seem 400 00:20:35,619 --> 00:20:31,759 to lure her to Ireland basically so that 401 00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:35,629 she could return and experience some of 402 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:38,270 these really unusual events it's a place 403 00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:40,910 so everybody has a different expression 404 00:20:47,710 --> 00:20:43,760 of it some it's survival related and 405 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:47,720 some it may be related to deeper levels 406 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:51,410 of the personalities histories NASA yeah 407 00:20:56,830 --> 00:20:53,210 I like this woman though who who had 408 00:21:00,750 --> 00:20:56,840 went to to Ireland did she have an mean 409 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:00,760 did she go there seeking this type of 410 00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:04,250 information or was it something that her 411 00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:06,470 out of the blue the travel experience 412 00:21:13,780 --> 00:21:09,590 kind of triggered the experience I think 413 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:13,790 she was lured to Ireland I think people 414 00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:18,170 are in a sense of lured to places where 415 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:22,840 they have connections somehow that 416 00:21:30,850 --> 00:21:27,710 directs them to some extent to to kind 417 00:21:33,610 --> 00:21:30,860 of fulfill a search for meaning and 418 00:21:35,620 --> 00:21:33,620 connection that leads them to having 419 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:35,630 have some of these experiences in these 420 00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:37,850 places but then I talk to people that 421 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:41,120 have gone to countries which they 422 00:21:47,380 --> 00:21:44,570 thought they had absolutely no prior 423 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:47,390 history of our connection or ancestry 424 00:21:54,940 --> 00:21:51,710 and and yet experienced the the idea of 425 00:21:58,090 --> 00:21:54,950 connection with the people in culture 426 00:21:58,690 --> 00:21:58,100 and that country so it's it's a kind of 427 00:22:04,030 --> 00:21:58,700 triggered 428 00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,040 experience being in a certain locale 429 00:22:08,890 --> 00:22:06,320 well we know what we don't we have a 430 00:22:11,470 --> 00:22:08,900 court yeah what we have of course what 431 00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:11,480 we call you know window area is where 432 00:22:18,540 --> 00:22:16,160 the UFOs are seen more often or people 433 00:22:21,370 --> 00:22:18,550 are more likely to have paranormal 434 00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:21,380 experiences I mean did you find that in 435 00:22:28,270 --> 00:22:24,020 the the group of people that you spoke 436 00:22:30,490 --> 00:22:28,280 to who had no immediate connection to a 437 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:30,500 particular place that there were certain 438 00:22:35,890 --> 00:22:33,830 spots maybe outside of the ones that 439 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:35,900 I've mentioned where things were more 440 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:38,630 likely to happen and not absolutely I 441 00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:42,830 think people had experiences in their 442 00:22:49,630 --> 00:22:46,070 travels was for totally unexpected and 443 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:49,640 totally unanticipated but absolutely 444 00:22:54,380 --> 00:22:50,640 nope 445 00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:54,390 a ballad a paranormal experience that 446 00:23:02,930 --> 00:22:58,380 involved them directly and unequivocally 447 00:23:03,530 --> 00:23:02,940 and absolutely yes and yeah so would you 448 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:03,540 would you 449 00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:06,710 Timm Timm before any particular location 450 00:23:12,410 --> 00:23:09,780 Tim before you ask the next question or 451 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:12,420 Michael before you finish it we need to 452 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:14,310 go to our bottom of the hour break so 453 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:15,810 when we come back we'll continue this 454 00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:17,730 conversation and we'll bring rosemary 455 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:20,190 into it on exploring the bazaars stay 456 00:23:35,530 --> 00:23:32,960 tuned now back to exploring the bazaars 457 00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:35,540 with two of the most electrifying 458 00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:38,670 researchers in the Paranoid your hosts 459 00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,220 Timothy Becca Lee panting Swit welcome 460 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:46,320 back to exploring the bazaar and I want 461 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:48,330 to encourage our listeners to let us 462 00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,370 know if you have any questions for our 463 00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:52,860 guests we'd love to hear from you we 464 00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:55,620 love to get your questions and you know 465 00:24:01,600 --> 00:23:58,500 our guests they love to answer them so 466 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:01,610 please let us know let us hear from you 467 00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,290 so rosemary let's bring you into the 468 00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:06,480 conversation now thanks for being with 469 00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:09,900 us tonight on exploring the bazaar sure 470 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:14,790 I want to ask you how did you how did 471 00:24:21,170 --> 00:24:17,130 you get involved with writing these two 472 00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:21,180 books with Michael well it goes back to 473 00:24:26,150 --> 00:24:24,300 a long association casual acquaintance 474 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:26,160 that Michael and I had over the years 475 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:28,980 through ufology running in each other at 476 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:30,510 some of the conference's that he 477 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:35,130 mentioned and you know that's we got 478 00:24:43,580 --> 00:24:39,750 acquainted that way and a few years ago 479 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:43,590 I was visiting family out in Washington 480 00:24:49,910 --> 00:24:47,130 State and from the Seattle area and I 481 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:49,920 put up a post on Facebook about being 482 00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,290 out in the Seattle area and Michael 483 00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,240 happened to see it and he said oh my 484 00:25:00,560 --> 00:24:56,220 gosh guess what I live on Bainbridge 485 00:25:02,780 --> 00:25:00,570 Island now and so we got together and 486 00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:02,790 in the course of conversation started 487 00:25:06,590 --> 00:25:05,040 talking about all these wonderful travel 488 00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:06,600 stories that he's collected over the 489 00:25:11,780 --> 00:25:09,780 years and that's what birthed this 490 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:11,790 series that were doing called the road 491 00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:15,710 to strange and the second book now 492 00:25:20,810 --> 00:25:18,420 focuses on a different kind of travel 493 00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:20,820 it's travel into alternate realities 494 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:23,940 because not everybody's physically on 495 00:25:29,090 --> 00:25:26,610 the road when they have their encounter 496 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:29,100 with UFOs or aliens sometimes it's in 497 00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:33,810 their own backyard but it does touch on 498 00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:35,190 some of the things that Michael was 499 00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,020 mentioning in the first part of the show 500 00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:40,140 about the expansion of consciousness 501 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:43,080 that happens when we're exposed to 502 00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:46,410 something different and new and the 503 00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:48,630 kinds of extraordinary experiences we 504 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:50,190 have that in many cases are 505 00:25:55,460 --> 00:25:53,130 life-changing and people who never 506 00:25:57,770 --> 00:25:55,470 believed in the paranormal become 507 00:26:00,290 --> 00:25:57,780 believers because they encounter 508 00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:00,300 something they can't explain away the 509 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:02,760 same thing happens with UFOs and aliens 510 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:05,250 and some of those experiences that we 511 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:07,050 have in the second book they're quite 512 00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,530 dramatic and people talk about their 513 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:11,640 transformations both positive and 514 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:15,450 negative you know that sometimes the 515 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:19,290 experience changes life in kind of scary 516 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:23,010 ways depending upon the nature of the 517 00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,850 experience and one of the things that we 518 00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:29,520 wanted to do in showcasing these stories 519 00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:32,070 they're all told first-person and then 520 00:26:37,910 --> 00:26:35,700 we supplement that with a commentary at 521 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:37,920 the end of every story where we put the 522 00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:41,210 phenomena and the experiences into a 523 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:45,270 context do these experiences fit other 524 00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:47,790 kinds of experiences what do they say 525 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:50,220 about our interactions with the unknown 526 00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:53,010 and I think that's what really makes the 527 00:26:57,620 --> 00:26:55,320 books meaningful for the reader is it's 528 00:27:00,610 --> 00:26:57,630 not just a collection of stories it's a 529 00:27:03,620 --> 00:27:00,620 collection of really compelling stories 530 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:03,630 but with something the reader can take 531 00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,960 away and maybe even apply to their own 532 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:08,820 lives that's one of the things that's 533 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:13,050 always fascinated me not only with the 534 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:14,370 stories that 535 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:15,809 you two have brought together in these 536 00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:17,910 books but you know other similar stories 537 00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:19,590 that I've heard through the years and 538 00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:22,590 you and you mentioned this rosemary is 539 00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:28,620 the the the the transformative effect 540 00:27:33,770 --> 00:27:31,470 that these experiences will have on a 541 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:33,780 person and I'm happy I'm really glad 542 00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:36,210 that you brought up that sometimes it's 543 00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:39,059 not necessarily you know for the 544 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:41,190 positive you know that some people come 545 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,610 away with it 546 00:27:48,650 --> 00:27:46,500 definitely you know looking at life kind 547 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:48,660 of out of the out of the side of their 548 00:27:52,669 --> 00:27:50,970 eyes but you know as you said there are 549 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:52,679 a lot of people though they'll have 550 00:27:59,690 --> 00:27:54,809 these and and it just you know it opens 551 00:28:04,130 --> 00:27:59,700 up a whole new reality for them it 552 00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:04,140 certainly does and this this phenomena 553 00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,500 are around us all the time and many 554 00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:09,120 people can go through most of their 555 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:11,220 lives without ever encountering anything 556 00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:13,710 extraordinary just depending upon their 557 00:28:20,419 --> 00:28:16,200 sensitivity you know some people have a 558 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:20,429 natural-born sensitivity to these other 559 00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:22,770 realities and they might be more 560 00:28:26,900 --> 00:28:25,140 predisposed to have an experience if 561 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:26,910 they're in the right place and under the 562 00:28:33,790 --> 00:28:31,320 right circumstances but nonetheless they 563 00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:33,800 they they can be real life changers and 564 00:28:39,620 --> 00:28:36,420 sometimes the experiences challenge 565 00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:39,630 people's worldviews how they explain the 566 00:28:45,049 --> 00:28:42,270 world culturally socially economically 567 00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:45,059 religiously and along comes an 568 00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:47,640 experience that just really upsets the 569 00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:50,220 apple cart and so then how do people 570 00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:52,950 integrate that well I think it's very 571 00:28:58,580 --> 00:28:55,470 helpful for experiencers to tell their 572 00:29:03,680 --> 00:28:58,590 stories because other people have 573 00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:03,690 similar experiences and when people find 574 00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,750 out that they're not alone that it 575 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:09,440 wasn't their imagination you know they 576 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:12,360 they're not crazy they're not delusional 577 00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:14,429 other people are having similar 578 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:17,340 experiences and they have a context and 579 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:19,320 a meaning I think that helps people 580 00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:22,170 integrate those experiences so the books 581 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:24,060 really become they have kind of an 582 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:26,370 educational teaching purpose to them as 583 00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:27,570 well as an entertainment 584 00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:31,110 aspect do you think these experiences 585 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:36,720 are personal experiences or random 586 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:38,610 events that this person just happened to 587 00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:40,170 be at the wrong place or the right place 588 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:42,950 you know what they right or wrong time 589 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:45,810 you know it seems to be a combination of 590 00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,930 both and it really comes to the fore in 591 00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:51,360 the second book on UFOs aliens on high 592 00:29:59,660 --> 00:29:55,710 strangeness where the Y me factor comes 593 00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:59,670 up over and over again people have these 594 00:30:06,550 --> 00:30:01,980 encounters with craft with lights with 595 00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:06,560 with beings and they feel intuitively 596 00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:10,080 that they were targeted in some way or 597 00:30:18,380 --> 00:30:14,270 they were noticed and then zeroed in on 598 00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:18,390 and that whatever intelligence was 599 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:20,550 behind the experience which seemed to be 600 00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:25,170 superior to humans notice them and 601 00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:27,540 responded to them in some way and so 602 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:29,940 it's like why me why wasn't it other 603 00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:32,340 people around me did I get singled out 604 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:37,140 am i targeted in some way and for some 605 00:30:40,820 --> 00:30:38,850 people that can be very unsettling 606 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:40,830 because then they start to feel very 607 00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:45,570 vulnerable my own feeling is that as I 608 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:47,040 just mentioned that there are many 609 00:30:53,660 --> 00:30:49,340 individuals that have a natural-born 610 00:30:57,620 --> 00:30:53,670 openness or sensitivity to these 611 00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:57,630 alternate realities and they may be the 612 00:31:02,540 --> 00:30:59,820 more likely people to have a spontaneous 613 00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:02,550 experience if they're in the right place 614 00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:04,860 at the right time or depending upon your 615 00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:06,390 viewpoint the wrong place at the wrong 616 00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:09,980 time we have accounts in the book where 617 00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:13,500 people see something up in the sky and 618 00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:15,000 they can't even get other people around 619 00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:17,880 them to look up and if they do other 620 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:21,030 people may or may not see the same thing 621 00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,050 it's a very uneven playing field and 622 00:31:28,730 --> 00:31:26,640 then you've got the ridicule factor 623 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:28,740 where people talk about their 624 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:31,230 experiences and especially in in the 625 00:31:35,889 --> 00:31:34,170 realm of UFOs and to a lesser extent the 626 00:31:39,789 --> 00:31:35,899 paranormal 627 00:31:41,979 --> 00:31:39,799 and experts say that they were 628 00:31:44,649 --> 00:31:41,989 hallucinating or mistaken there's some 629 00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:44,659 ridiculous explanation for it 630 00:31:51,099 --> 00:31:48,320 they're derided as country bumpkins or 631 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:51,109 ignorant people even their own friends 632 00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:54,609 and family don't support many of the 633 00:32:01,409 --> 00:31:57,080 experiencer so it can be a very lonely 634 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:01,419 experience sometimes oh we have the 635 00:32:08,459 --> 00:32:03,849 friends and families can be the worst 636 00:32:12,009 --> 00:32:08,469 when it comes to trying to talk about a 637 00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:12,019 situation like that I know that the 638 00:32:16,329 --> 00:32:13,820 people that have come to me over the 639 00:32:17,829 --> 00:32:16,339 years to talk about their unusual 640 00:32:19,209 --> 00:32:17,839 experiences they've got they've just 641 00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:19,219 gotten to the point where they've really 642 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:20,950 this kind of almost just shut down 643 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:26,450 because of just the ridicule and just 644 00:32:31,690 --> 00:32:29,450 the constant joking and ribbing and just 645 00:32:34,539 --> 00:32:31,700 got so sick and tired of it and there's 646 00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,549 like I said you know the family can be 647 00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:37,279 the worst when it comes to you know that 648 00:32:43,379 --> 00:32:40,159 kind of abuse so that that very 649 00:32:49,810 --> 00:32:43,389 isolation that you just mentioned then 650 00:32:53,109 --> 00:32:49,820 is very unsettling to a lot of people it 651 00:32:57,389 --> 00:32:53,119 can even cause some some problems 652 00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,399 emotional problems sleep problems 653 00:33:03,129 --> 00:33:00,799 anxiety problems people who have severe 654 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,139 experiences even suffer some of the 655 00:33:12,249 --> 00:33:05,200 symptoms of post-traumatic stress 656 00:33:15,999 --> 00:33:12,259 send disorder and so finding a community 657 00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:16,009 of other experiences even just through a 658 00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:18,409 book where the other experiences are 659 00:33:25,690 --> 00:33:22,159 unknown to them can be very validating 660 00:33:27,999 --> 00:33:25,700 and reassuring and of course there are 661 00:33:31,629 --> 00:33:28,009 many support groups especially in 662 00:33:36,479 --> 00:33:31,639 ufology for people who've had market 663 00:33:40,029 --> 00:33:36,489 experiences but it's it's kind of a sad 664 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:40,039 commentary on how we view how we as a 665 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:42,529 society view these sorts of things 666 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:45,830 because on one hand we've got a public 667 00:33:53,139 --> 00:33:49,490 clamor for proof let's have proof let's 668 00:33:55,899 --> 00:33:53,149 let's hear about these things we want to 669 00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:55,909 know and then when the evidence comes 670 00:34:03,399 --> 00:33:59,240 forward from the eyewitnesses they are 671 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:03,409 immediately leaped upon and savaged and 672 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:09,770 discredited so it's why why are we not 673 00:34:15,970 --> 00:34:13,970 collectively more open-minded about it 674 00:34:19,149 --> 00:34:15,980 and willing to give people the benefit 675 00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:19,159 of the doubt Michael has interviewed so 676 00:34:22,570 --> 00:34:20,599 many people over the years I've 677 00:34:23,129 --> 00:34:22,580 interviewed so many people over the 678 00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:23,139 years 679 00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:26,200 paranormal cryptids UFOs mystical 680 00:34:33,070 --> 00:34:29,480 experiences and they do fall into 681 00:34:35,379 --> 00:34:33,080 patterns that indicate that human beings 682 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:35,389 are having a variety of extraordinary 683 00:34:40,690 --> 00:34:38,089 alternate reality experiences throughout 684 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:40,700 history so what's going on here what are 685 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:44,510 we interacting with it's real and how do 686 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:47,570 we understand it and turn it to our 687 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:50,510 benefit I think a lot of people are 688 00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:53,690 really afraid though to to try to 689 00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,680 understand this this sort of phenomena I 690 00:35:02,410 --> 00:35:00,320 mean most people they go through their 691 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:02,420 lives asleep you know they get up in the 692 00:35:05,290 --> 00:35:03,890 morning they go to work they come home 693 00:35:06,579 --> 00:35:05,300 they watch television they go back to 694 00:35:10,839 --> 00:35:06,589 sleep do they do it all over again 695 00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:10,849 anything that takes them out of that 696 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:14,740 routine is scary it frightens them and 697 00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:17,570 that animal instinct comes in you get 698 00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:19,280 scared of something you either run away 699 00:35:24,490 --> 00:35:22,220 for it from it or you attack it and I 700 00:35:26,589 --> 00:35:24,500 you know we see I see that you know time 701 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:26,599 after time again when it comes to other 702 00:35:32,410 --> 00:35:30,490 people having these unusual experiences 703 00:35:34,060 --> 00:35:32,420 well that's very true 704 00:35:36,609 --> 00:35:34,070 you know that if you acknowledge the 705 00:35:40,210 --> 00:35:36,619 experience then you're forced to deal 706 00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:40,220 with it and that can be a troubling 707 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:42,830 thing well for example we've got a story 708 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:47,080 about five UFOs including a huge 709 00:35:52,510 --> 00:35:49,730 circular ship that appear over a 710 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:52,520 farmhouse while a family is having 711 00:35:58,990 --> 00:35:56,240 dinner and there are a couple of 712 00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,000 brothers involved mother father a couple 713 00:36:02,370 --> 00:36:01,040 of sisters and one of the sisters has a 714 00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:02,380 baby 715 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:04,660 and everybody rushes outside to look 716 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:07,570 except the father who doesn't seem to 717 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,890 want to deal with almost like he's 718 00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,960 clinging to his dinner table he's not 719 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:12,640 going to go out and look and he mumbles 720 00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:14,050 something about all it's just government 721 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:18,300 stuff but he is not going to go look and 722 00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,250 it's almost like well if I go look and I 723 00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:23,440 see something then I have to come to 724 00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:25,720 terms with it and if I just stay here 725 00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:28,510 and and hope that it goes away like an 726 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:31,960 ostrich with its head in the sand then I 727 00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:33,850 don't have to confront something that 728 00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:36,700 might really upset me so now all the 729 00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,030 stories that the two to have collected 730 00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:42,400 in in these books and there's there's 731 00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:46,000 quite a few of them I know that you had 732 00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:50,430 to weed through hundreds of others too 733 00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:52,630 to get the ones that you actually got 734 00:36:58,350 --> 00:36:54,820 published now how did you go through 735 00:36:59,760 --> 00:36:58,360 that process of picking and choosing 736 00:37:03,270 --> 00:36:59,770 which ones you're gonna put in the book 737 00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:03,280 well for me reviewing a lot of Michael's 738 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:10,000 stories some of it was well we we wanted 739 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:14,050 to show certain kinds of experiences and 740 00:37:19,890 --> 00:37:16,570 so we do have the book divided into four 741 00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:19,900 segments and one is I know what I saw 742 00:37:28,070 --> 00:37:22,630 and this is a category of experiences 743 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:28,080 where people have the irrefutable 744 00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:33,280 eyewitness event and they suffer that 745 00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:35,230 division and they're forced back into 746 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:37,750 that mantra which has become famous and 747 00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:41,010 ufology now I know what I saw 748 00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:45,040 and then we have mystery lights and 749 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:47,080 crafts in the sky which is a very common 750 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:49,840 category of experiences and we wanted to 751 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:51,690 demonstrate what that was like and how 752 00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,570 people encountered those and we have 753 00:38:00,300 --> 00:37:57,520 then encounters with aliens we have 754 00:38:03,810 --> 00:38:00,310 negative abductions a positive hybrid 755 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:03,820 experience weird experiences we have one 756 00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:06,460 with some aliens who come down and they 757 00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,260 start eating grant they have a silver 758 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:11,680 plate with them they pick up wads of 759 00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:14,050 grass and start eating grass 760 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:17,830 and offer that to to the human that who 761 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:21,610 encounters me I'm a little girl and so 762 00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:23,290 what are these encounters like and how 763 00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:26,680 are people changed by them and then we 764 00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:29,470 have the high strangeness aspect missing 765 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:33,040 time portals some of the unusual 766 00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:37,890 phenomena that gets stirred up around so 767 00:38:46,170 --> 00:38:41,500 we have far more stories than we 768 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:46,180 actually used of course and we wanted to 769 00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,670 pick representative cases that had good 770 00:38:55,860 --> 00:38:51,040 evidence to them or a lot of energy to 771 00:38:58,410 --> 00:38:55,870 them compelling stories and also stories 772 00:39:00,270 --> 00:38:58,420 that served as good springboards for the 773 00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:00,280 commentaries because one of the things 774 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:03,190 that we did in the commentaries is we 775 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:08,650 looked back into the literature of other 776 00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:10,930 similar cases we didn't want to just 777 00:39:16,830 --> 00:39:13,750 repeat cases that have been hashed over 778 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:16,840 for decades but some of those cases are 779 00:39:24,930 --> 00:39:22,090 classic and the the new stories many of 780 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:24,940 which are never before published there 781 00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:27,070 springboards to go back and look at 782 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:29,560 those classic cases and see how they all 783 00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:33,520 tie in together so it was really a 784 00:39:38,670 --> 00:39:37,300 synergistic Mis mix of things and like 785 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:38,680 any book you know it's an organic 786 00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:42,610 process and you know we toss material 787 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:45,580 back and forth and it just comes 788 00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:48,130 together that way what are the things 789 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:51,550 that that has always amazed me and you 790 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:54,250 know you you you'll see this new book is 791 00:40:03,120 --> 00:39:56,410 you have these different categorizations 792 00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:03,130 is how similar these events are I mean 793 00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:06,550 they may be separated by decades maybe 794 00:40:12,330 --> 00:40:09,430 even centuries but it's almost like 795 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:12,340 these these people will have this the 796 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:14,410 very same experiences 797 00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:16,510 time and time again and then but then 798 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:18,820 again you know you'll have a few you're 799 00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:21,130 like you said about the the creatures 800 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:22,990 who have the silver plate so started 801 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:24,730 eating the grass that's a new one to me 802 00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:27,290 that's that one's amazing 803 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:32,270 yet so many of these are so similar I 804 00:40:35,620 --> 00:40:34,010 mean it's almost like they're working 805 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:35,630 off of a template like you know a great 806 00:40:43,870 --> 00:40:39,710 cosmic template well there certainly is 807 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:43,880 this weird trickster element to them the 808 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:48,650 the bizarro nature about how nonsensical 809 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:50,210 some of the aspects are and of course 810 00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:52,130 John keel talked about those sorts of 811 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:53,060 things all the time 812 00:40:58,930 --> 00:40:55,850 but take the grass-eating aliens for 813 00:41:04,840 --> 00:40:58,940 example I mean it sounds so incongruous 814 00:41:06,850 --> 00:41:04,850 so illogical that a more skeptical 815 00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:06,860 person would just immediately write this 816 00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:09,920 off as some sort of daydream or made-up 817 00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:12,980 story or hoax or whatever but yet when 818 00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:15,500 you look at the context of other kinds 819 00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:19,100 of experiences take that fellow who I 820 00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:23,150 think his name was Simonton Kraft came 821 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:25,220 down and beings came out and they were 822 00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:27,370 they had a jug with them and they 823 00:41:32,650 --> 00:41:29,750 indicated telepathically they wanted 824 00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:32,660 water so he gets them water and then 825 00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:34,790 when he approaches the craft and he's 826 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:36,500 able to look into it he sees that 827 00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:40,730 there's this alien in front of a little 828 00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:42,920 gray guy in in front of what looks like 829 00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:44,990 a barbecue grill or something and he's 830 00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:48,020 he's making something look like pancakes 831 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:50,960 and give him some pancakes and he eats 832 00:41:57,970 --> 00:41:55,130 one and you got a delivery Eagle River 833 00:42:04,090 --> 00:41:57,980 Wisconsin exactly 834 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:04,100 so it's you know pancakes serving aliens 835 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:07,370 grass eating aliens what sort of sense 836 00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:09,410 do we make out of that and the pancakes 837 00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:12,380 he did he was able to have one of them 838 00:42:17,590 --> 00:42:14,390 analyzed and it was said to have just 839 00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:17,600 natural earth ingredients in it he said 840 00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:20,630 it was kind of dry but nonetheless it 841 00:42:29,710 --> 00:42:26,000 came from an alien and it's these sorts 842 00:42:32,410 --> 00:42:29,720 of experiences that don't fit everyday 843 00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:32,420 logic that immediately then get 844 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:36,110 discarded as weirdo flake oh off off the 845 00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:38,570 charts let's not even think about it 846 00:42:44,260 --> 00:42:40,820 material when in fact 847 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:44,270 they these sorts of experiences are part 848 00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:46,850 of the core of experiences that people 849 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:50,480 have in these alternate realities there 850 00:42:59,470 --> 00:42:54,050 are other rules you know earth rules do 851 00:43:01,780 --> 00:42:59,480 not apply yeah Joshua kuchen wrote an 852 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:01,790 entire book about the the whole aspect 853 00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:04,850 of eating and drinking dealing with the 854 00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:09,190 the paranormal extraterrestrial alleged 855 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:13,100 extraterrestrial visitations and you 856 00:43:19,090 --> 00:43:14,690 know and it seems to me that a lot of 857 00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:19,100 times some of the more bizarre stories 858 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:21,560 have witnesses that who are the most 859 00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:24,770 earnest in their in their descriptions 860 00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:29,960 and you know in just the the final 861 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:32,420 aspects of it you know those like hey it 862 00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:34,010 happened to me believe it you know 863 00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:35,480 believe it or not I'm not making any 864 00:43:41,590 --> 00:43:37,640 money off of this I've got no reason to 865 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:41,600 lie there it is well rosemary did you 866 00:43:47,650 --> 00:43:45,170 find that anyone who had just gone on a 867 00:43:52,750 --> 00:43:47,660 normal vacation let's say to the Great 868 00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:52,760 Pyramid as an example I was wrapped up 869 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:54,320 in the paranormal after that I mean 870 00:43:57,580 --> 00:43:56,090 something happened to him while they 871 00:44:00,370 --> 00:43:57,590 were there they weren't expecting or 872 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:00,380 certainly had no particular interest of 873 00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:03,410 the subject that happens to people all 874 00:44:07,930 --> 00:44:05,030 the time they don't have to have any 875 00:44:12,070 --> 00:44:07,940 background in the paranormal or UFOs any 876 00:44:14,530 --> 00:44:12,080 interest some of our storytellers make 877 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:14,540 the point that I never even believed in 878 00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:18,610 this stuff until I had experiences and 879 00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:22,280 in my view the spontaneous one that just 880 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:26,180 kind of bursts upon you is the best kind 881 00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:28,610 of experience to have it's it's often 882 00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,310 quite profound it's highly energetic 883 00:44:35,890 --> 00:44:34,160 it's got a lot of transformative energy 884 00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:35,900 to it 885 00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:38,780 there are seekers who all who will 886 00:44:44,290 --> 00:44:41,750 always go out and they want experiences 887 00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:44,300 we have the UFO vigil people we have the 888 00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:46,280 paranormal investigators we have people 889 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:48,470 who go to sacred sites and hope that 890 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:50,210 they're going to contact spirits or the 891 00:44:54,819 --> 00:44:53,210 gods and they can often have very 892 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:54,829 profound experiences 893 00:44:59,979 --> 00:44:57,410 but to me the most interesting ones are 894 00:45:04,719 --> 00:44:59,989 the ones that just pop out of the 895 00:45:07,269 --> 00:45:04,729 multiverse yeah yes idiot yeah it's the 896 00:45:10,929 --> 00:45:07,279 person being in a certain place in a 897 00:45:12,459 --> 00:45:10,939 certain state of consciousness and maybe 898 00:45:15,370 --> 00:45:12,469 they're ready for some sort of 899 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:15,380 breakthrough like that and then the 900 00:45:23,380 --> 00:45:19,209 multiverse just delivers something 901 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:23,390 extraordinary I think well I I found you 902 00:45:27,809 --> 00:45:24,650 know that of course I've been collecting 903 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:27,819 all this you know material too I am 904 00:45:33,759 --> 00:45:30,170 centered on people who have just 905 00:45:35,019 --> 00:45:33,769 traveled related experiences but a lot 906 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:35,029 of people have gotten off to a 907 00:45:39,729 --> 00:45:37,609 particular area like a hotspot and ended 908 00:45:42,429 --> 00:45:39,739 up seeing absolutely nothing at all 909 00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:42,439 yet people who were not predisposed to 910 00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,529 having an experience of a paranormal 911 00:45:51,069 --> 00:45:48,319 type would visit the there and they 912 00:45:52,839 --> 00:45:51,079 would suddenly find their lives that you 913 00:45:57,029 --> 00:45:52,849 know turned around by this I I remember 914 00:46:02,739 --> 00:45:57,039 there's a fella now deceased price bond 915 00:46:04,449 --> 00:46:02,749 he was a disc jockey here in New York he 916 00:46:07,089 --> 00:46:04,459 only played jazz and Frank Sinatra 917 00:46:10,539 --> 00:46:07,099 records but every once in a while he 918 00:46:12,969 --> 00:46:10,549 would do a public notice about one of 919 00:46:17,410 --> 00:46:12,979 our UFO meetings or something you know 920 00:46:20,109 --> 00:46:17,420 and he told me one time he was said he 921 00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,119 was going over to England I guess he 922 00:46:24,219 --> 00:46:22,400 knew I had some contacts there had been 923 00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:24,229 there and he said well I have some time 924 00:46:30,549 --> 00:46:26,390 to kill can you suggest something that I 925 00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:30,559 might do spend some time at and I I said 926 00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,630 well why don't you go visit Arthur shut 927 00:46:37,569 --> 00:46:34,400 up well now Arthur shuttle would was the 928 00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,579 editor of the warminster and journal 929 00:46:43,269 --> 00:46:39,920 which was the daily newspaper out of 930 00:46:46,299 --> 00:46:43,279 warminster UK where this town that had 931 00:46:48,189 --> 00:46:46,309 been besieged by the thing it's that 932 00:46:50,259 --> 00:46:48,199 Christmas day where a woman was walking 933 00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:50,269 off the church service and she heard 934 00:46:57,519 --> 00:46:54,910 this sound like a thousand bees you know 935 00:47:00,910 --> 00:46:57,529 buzzing an overhead and she was pushed 936 00:47:02,949 --> 00:47:00,920 to the sidewalk and it I have to 937 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:02,959 interrupt you here because we are our 938 00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:04,729 top of the hour break we'll continue 939 00:47:07,789 --> 00:47:05,640 this 940 00:47:17,660 --> 00:47:07,799 in just a few minutes on exploring the 941 00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:22,170 explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride 942 00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:24,630 into the world of the paranormal 943 00:47:32,209 --> 00:47:27,910 strap yourself in as we traverse the 944 00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:32,219 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 945 00:47:37,709 --> 00:47:35,339 ghosts Lost Worlds 946 00:47:41,579 --> 00:47:37,719 cryptozoology waters as well as other 947 00:47:45,959 --> 00:47:41,589 dimensions it's time to take back the 948 00:47:49,229 --> 00:47:45,969 night last night now your electrifying 949 00:47:55,439 --> 00:47:49,239 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 950 00:47:58,109 --> 00:47:55,449 Begley and team sports welcome back to 951 00:47:59,969 --> 00:47:58,119 the second hour of exploring the bizarre 952 00:48:03,359 --> 00:47:59,979 I'm Tim Schwarz tonight we are talking 953 00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:03,369 with rosemary ellen guiley and Michael 954 00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:07,440 Bryan and Tim Beck Lee was talking about 955 00:48:21,089 --> 00:48:18,160 what was his name Bryce ba we're glad 956 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:21,099 pretty sure story Tim all right well yes 957 00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:23,410 well okay so Bryce pon was a disc jockey 958 00:48:28,529 --> 00:48:26,049 out of a small station in Long Island 959 00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:28,539 and he had called me just before leaving 960 00:48:34,259 --> 00:48:31,630 to England but in no way if he might do 961 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:34,269 something over there on his vacation the 962 00:48:39,029 --> 00:48:35,890 time after he'd finished doing some 963 00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:39,039 business and I suggested that he mosey 964 00:48:46,049 --> 00:48:43,630 on up and meet the fellow in the work 965 00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:46,059 the town of warminster buy the more 966 00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:47,920 Arthur shuttle would who had become a 967 00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:51,910 focal point of a lot of UFO activity he 968 00:48:58,559 --> 00:48:56,049 had sorted out as a skeptical journalist 969 00:49:02,189 --> 00:48:58,569 editor of the daily warming student 970 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:02,199 journal and in a short period of time he 971 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:04,089 realized that something indeed strange 972 00:49:11,130 --> 00:49:08,170 was going on in this town well Bryce as 973 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:11,140 I say had a very little interest as far 974 00:49:15,689 --> 00:49:13,690 as I know in the in the paranormal he 975 00:49:17,759 --> 00:49:15,699 was busy playing Frank Sinatra in jazz 976 00:49:20,670 --> 00:49:17,769 records but he he went off to England 977 00:49:24,689 --> 00:49:20,680 and I found out later when he came back 978 00:49:27,739 --> 00:49:24,699 that he had a remarkable experience he 979 00:49:30,620 --> 00:49:27,749 had met with Arthur shuttle wood and 980 00:49:34,219 --> 00:49:30,630 some friends of ours are up 981 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:34,229 and either cradle or start sill which 982 00:49:39,019 --> 00:49:36,569 was an area where people were going to 983 00:49:41,299 --> 00:49:39,029 have UFO sightings that are pretty much 984 00:49:43,279 --> 00:49:41,309 a nightly basis at one point and 985 00:49:45,739 --> 00:49:43,289 celebrities like David Bowie and the 986 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:45,749 JAGMAN were coming there it was it was 987 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:50,130 quite a hot spot a window area for the 988 00:49:56,779 --> 00:49:53,249 paranormal and we we had people whose 989 00:49:58,519 --> 00:49:56,789 watches had stopped who claimed that you 990 00:50:01,700 --> 00:49:58,529 know they were getting strange voices on 991 00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:01,710 the on the telephone pretty much like a 992 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:04,470 John keel ran into in 20 Pleasant West 993 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:05,970 Virginia with the appearance of the 994 00:50:11,779 --> 00:50:09,210 month anyway Bryce came back to New York 995 00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:11,789 a totally changed person it seems that 996 00:50:17,299 --> 00:50:14,579 he had wandered off into the field by 997 00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:17,309 himself he has seen some sort of 998 00:50:23,989 --> 00:50:21,859 flashing light he was taken on board a 999 00:50:26,539 --> 00:50:23,999 craft of some sort 1000 00:50:29,299 --> 00:50:26,549 there were several occupants on board 1001 00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:29,309 leadership they were very human in 1002 00:50:36,459 --> 00:50:32,460 appearance they were what we would call 1003 00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:36,469 a Nordic UFO a types I call them a soap 1004 00:50:41,509 --> 00:50:39,390 opera actors and actresses you know 1005 00:50:43,549 --> 00:50:41,519 people with chiseled faces and very 1006 00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:43,559 smooth complexion and just almost the 1007 00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:49,400 perfect human anyway he had this 1008 00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:52,380 experience and I was on board the craft 1009 00:50:59,839 --> 00:50:56,339 for an hour or so except that when he 1010 00:51:02,239 --> 00:50:59,849 came back to where the where Arthur 1011 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:02,249 showed what his group was it turned out 1012 00:51:06,229 --> 00:51:04,890 that there had been a morbid time that 1013 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:06,239 even though he thought he's only been 1014 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:08,729 away from them from an hour it was like 1015 00:51:13,219 --> 00:51:10,410 three hours had passed or something like 1016 00:51:15,319 --> 00:51:13,229 that he returned from New York he gave 1017 00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:15,329 up his job he went into the station 1018 00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:17,609 manager and said that he didn't want to 1019 00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:19,950 play Frank Sinatra records anymore he 1020 00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:23,579 gave up his job and became a psychic 1021 00:51:31,249 --> 00:51:28,380 healer and a very successful lecturer on 1022 00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:31,259 the on the subject he wrote a book which 1023 00:51:36,499 --> 00:51:33,660 we published a couple of years ago 1024 00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:36,509 because I found this missing manuscript 1025 00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:39,839 it's UFOs keys to inner perfection so 1026 00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,819 here's a fellow who went off on a 1027 00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:43,680 business trip had some time to kill in 1028 00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,430 the UK 1029 00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:46,559 and ended up coming back a psychic a 1030 00:51:52,460 --> 00:51:49,440 healer and quitting his job and becoming 1031 00:51:54,789 --> 00:51:52,470 totally wrapped up in the paranormal 1032 00:51:59,150 --> 00:51:54,799 until he passed away about maybe a 1033 00:52:03,890 --> 00:51:59,160 decade ago so Michael you were saying 1034 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:03,900 that you felt that the earth was a Grand 1035 00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:07,770 Central Station yeah you know when 1036 00:52:12,019 --> 00:52:09,660 rosemary and I were we're talking about 1037 00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:12,029 this book and organizing and thinking 1038 00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:14,190 about the perspectives that we would 1039 00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:15,900 cover 1040 00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:21,839 I had recalled you know studies that you 1041 00:52:28,089 --> 00:52:25,440 look at from MUFON and a pro Barris 1042 00:52:30,140 --> 00:52:28,099 organization statistics you know cold 1043 00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:30,150 statistics about okay what are the 1044 00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:32,700 shapes of objects that people report 1045 00:52:38,269 --> 00:52:34,230 they see and all that it's very 1046 00:52:40,930 --> 00:52:38,279 impersonal and kind of statistical but 1047 00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:40,940 when you're brought back down to the 1048 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:43,890 interaction of people as experiencers 1049 00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:45,690 and they're telling you what they're 1050 00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:48,750 experiencing you know the statistics 1051 00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:52,710 kind of vaporized and and scatter and 1052 00:53:00,019 --> 00:52:57,200 and you're there with these very basic 1053 00:53:03,769 --> 00:53:00,029 experiences that people have had and I 1054 00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:03,779 came around to the feeling my god you 1055 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:07,079 know if you just consider the variety of 1056 00:53:11,539 --> 00:53:09,930 what people have been telling us the 1057 00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:11,549 variety of experiences that they've had 1058 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:16,049 it began to occur to me my god this 1059 00:53:20,260 --> 00:53:18,210 looks more like this the bar scene in 1060 00:53:23,299 --> 00:53:20,270 Star Wars where you had all these 1061 00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:23,309 characters beings of different shapes 1062 00:53:28,279 --> 00:53:26,430 and colors and sizes different 1063 00:53:31,789 --> 00:53:28,289 appendages and whatnot 1064 00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,799 so I was really beginning to think like 1065 00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:34,079 well there there certainly is some kind 1066 00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:36,900 of a presence from the multiverse and 1067 00:53:41,029 --> 00:53:38,760 I'm not going to say that there are all 1068 00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:41,039 space travelers but some of them could 1069 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:42,750 be trying time travelers different 1070 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:44,730 dimensions who knows what but there's a 1071 00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:46,650 lot of them and there's a lot of 1072 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:48,839 different kinds even though there seems 1073 00:53:54,289 --> 00:53:51,690 to be some commonality of experiences 1074 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:54,299 that are reported by people the variety 1075 00:53:57,950 --> 00:53:57,690 and scope of of these intelligences that 1076 00:54:02,180 --> 00:53:57,960 are 1077 00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:02,190 interacting with us is enormous and the 1078 00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,020 only thing I can think of this it 1079 00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:06,480 emulates the Grand Central Station and I 1080 00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:09,270 began to think well how do they all 1081 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:11,220 interact with one another this is 1082 00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:13,530 something that's totally to use the 1083 00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:17,670 phrase alien to us but some of them are 1084 00:54:23,180 --> 00:54:20,070 probably way more advanced than others 1085 00:54:25,579 --> 00:54:23,190 and from different dimensions I just 1086 00:54:28,099 --> 00:54:25,589 wonder how they interact with one 1087 00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:28,109 another and do they actually do the up 1088 00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:31,859 planet Earth for different purposes that 1089 00:54:36,650 --> 00:54:34,470 kind of thinking that's where I kind of 1090 00:54:39,790 --> 00:54:36,660 come to from all this I often wondered 1091 00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:39,800 if there if there actually is any 1092 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:44,910 interaction or whether or not the the 1093 00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:47,970 phenomena as we see it an experience it 1094 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:52,619 is and it's it's it's difficult for me 1095 00:55:01,550 --> 00:54:56,570 to try to try to formulate this but so 1096 00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:01,560 separated that possibly they're not even 1097 00:55:06,380 --> 00:55:03,990 aware of all the other activity that's 1098 00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,390 going on maybe just even marginally 1099 00:55:11,810 --> 00:55:09,359 aware that that we're viewing them 1100 00:55:13,579 --> 00:55:11,820 because iíve talked about this in the 1101 00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:13,589 show before you know a lot of people 1102 00:55:21,579 --> 00:55:16,500 that that have talked to me have said 1103 00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:21,589 that they will see you know say like a 1104 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:24,510 creature or being of some kind just you 1105 00:55:30,250 --> 00:55:26,250 know like outside of their house and 1106 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:30,260 when this thing notices that it's being 1107 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:34,530 watched it act surprised like yeah yeah 1108 00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,290 yeah it's like it's it's it's not used 1109 00:55:43,310 --> 00:55:39,540 to somebody actually being you know 1110 00:55:45,859 --> 00:55:43,320 being able to see it and and gosh so 1111 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:45,869 many people have told me before that you 1112 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:47,130 know whatever it is that they're looking 1113 00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:50,490 at has a genuine look of surprise on its 1114 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:52,710 face you know when it what it sees that 1115 00:55:59,060 --> 00:55:55,050 it's it's being looked at so I just I 1116 00:56:01,460 --> 00:55:59,070 just wonder you know just you know what 1117 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:01,470 kind of interaction if any is actually 1118 00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:07,770 going on and that's and that's just it I 1119 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:09,320 mean you know we've got all kinds of 1120 00:56:15,050 --> 00:56:11,970 questions but I don't really 1121 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:15,060 - anymore I just don't think that we can 1122 00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:18,690 really expect any decent answers at 1123 00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:27,050 well even like I had it I had a question 1124 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:29,580 here I was just reading something that 1125 00:56:37,940 --> 00:56:32,130 really fascinated me that you've 1126 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:37,950 competed in a contest in 1985 where you 1127 00:56:47,290 --> 00:56:42,060 travel to all of 50 states it was a 50 1128 00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:47,300 state marathon on United Airlines yeah 1129 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:49,710 you got to tell me about this I mean 1130 00:56:55,580 --> 00:56:52,410 this isn't probably too paranormal but 1131 00:56:58,520 --> 00:56:55,590 it it certainly is fascinating who came 1132 00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:58,530 up with that idea and how did you manage 1133 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:00,180 to accomplish that I mean you obviously 1134 00:57:06,740 --> 00:57:03,930 can't go from Vermont I don't know if 1135 00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:06,750 that boggles the mind how the heck long 1136 00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:10,470 did that take well it took me 13 days of 1137 00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:13,940 flying if you can imagine that 13 days 1138 00:57:21,260 --> 00:57:17,430 United Airlines at that time began to 1139 00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:21,270 fly into all 50 US states so somebody 1140 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:23,160 they're very clever came up with the 1141 00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,090 idea let's have a contest and if you 1142 00:57:33,050 --> 00:57:29,760 flew to all 50 states either landing in 1143 00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:33,060 or taking off from you would earn a 1144 00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:36,780 first-class pass for a year on United's 1145 00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:39,480 tested you might say did you take did 1146 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:43,020 you say ticket I I did well ticket talk 1147 00:57:50,180 --> 00:57:47,370 about ticket it was a portfolio I found 1148 00:57:52,430 --> 00:57:50,190 this travel agency in San Francisco they 1149 00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:52,440 said we'll do it for you and so they 1150 00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:55,950 came up with this whole thing where for 1151 00:58:02,180 --> 00:57:58,850 example I landed in Jackson Mississippi 1152 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:02,190 rented a car like at midnight and drove 1153 00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:04,890 to New Orleans just in time to catch the 1154 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:08,040 flight out of New Orleans you know 1155 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:11,690 barely missed it just - almost missed it 1156 00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:16,290 in 13 days is 13 days 13 1157 00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:18,750 I don't know IIIi what I want to see 1158 00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:22,380 proof of that oh that's funny because I 1159 00:58:28,529 --> 00:58:25,390 sent out I ran out got 1160 00:58:33,210 --> 00:58:28,539 like 13 sets of 13 postcards in each 1161 00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,220 place I have pre labeled mailing labels 1162 00:58:37,979 --> 00:58:35,920 for these postcards and stamps and I 1163 00:58:41,069 --> 00:58:37,989 said you know the rubber stamp one there 1164 00:58:43,170 --> 00:58:41,079 and I said this is state number 39 and I 1165 00:58:45,779 --> 00:58:43,180 sent it to the marketing director of 1166 00:58:47,940 --> 00:58:45,789 United Airlines along with friends and 1167 00:58:51,150 --> 00:58:47,950 relatives cousins girlfriends whatever 1168 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:51,160 and it's funny on the night that they 1169 00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:53,970 gave out the awards there were 78 1170 00:59:00,059 --> 00:58:57,400 winners I believe 78 people who 1171 00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:00,069 accomplished this and I was the first to 1172 00:59:05,220 --> 00:59:02,140 complete it because I did it faster than 1173 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:05,230 anybody else and it cost me $8,000 to do 1174 00:59:09,479 --> 00:59:08,890 I ran into somebody who like a New 1175 00:59:11,549 --> 00:59:09,489 Zealander 1176 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:11,559 who bought a ticket a special promotion 1177 00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,410 for 300 bucks could fly unlimited on 1178 00:59:19,859 --> 00:59:17,200 United in the US for one month and he 1179 00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:19,869 did it for $300 and other people spent a 1180 00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:22,180 lot more money businesspeople but anyway 1181 00:59:29,269 --> 00:59:25,569 so I don't think any but I don't think 1182 00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:29,279 anybody nobody would even do that today 1183 00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:31,960 you know you'd have to you'd have to do 1184 00:59:38,370 --> 00:59:36,609 it online or yourself well so so that so 1185 00:59:40,019 --> 00:59:38,380 the director of marketing was up there 1186 00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:40,029 and he was talking a little doubt a 1187 00:59:44,220 --> 00:59:42,249 little bit about each person someone 1188 00:59:46,589 --> 00:59:44,230 they said and then there was Michael 1189 00:59:48,749 --> 00:59:46,599 Bryan who sent me a postcard from every 1190 00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:48,759 state but you missed a couple of states 1191 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:50,710 what happened how come I didn't get the 1192 00:59:56,370 --> 00:59:52,930 postcards you know it was just funny and 1193 00:59:59,519 --> 00:59:56,380 all that but yeah you know just good 1194 01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:59,529 just to go just to go from California to 1195 01:00:05,339 --> 01:00:02,559 Hawaii and back how do you I mean how do 1196 01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:05,349 you get like you have to land step on 1197 01:00:09,989 --> 01:00:07,180 the ground get back on a plane and come 1198 01:00:14,190 --> 01:00:09,999 back basically that's it I was I landed 1199 01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:14,200 in South Dakota and the flight was gonna 1200 01:00:17,999 --> 01:00:16,150 go to North Dakota and there was two 1201 01:00:20,339 --> 01:00:18,009 other guys sitting on the plane we all 1202 01:00:22,349 --> 01:00:20,349 looked each other and smiled because we 1203 01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:22,359 all knew we were getting that leg North 1204 01:00:27,870 --> 01:00:26,140 Dakota for the contest that's like well 1205 01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:27,880 the godswood certainly with you and 1206 01:00:33,539 --> 01:00:29,819 that's the trip I would have to say 1207 01:00:35,999 --> 01:00:33,549 after I won yes after I got the pass I 1208 01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,009 was living in Honolulu I would fly to 1209 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:39,040 Maui by way of Los Angeles 1210 01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:42,610 Francisco why I I was in first class I 1211 01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:45,160 was having a great meal a movie some 1212 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:48,190 drinks and then from Maui I flew back on 1213 01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:51,970 a dc-10 from Maui to Honolulu on United 1214 01:00:56,820 --> 01:00:53,260 sitting in first class 1215 01:00:58,860 --> 01:00:56,830 I just love traveling I love flying but 1216 01:01:01,350 --> 01:00:58,870 I went to all kinds of UFO conferences 1217 01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:01,360 during that year I landed in all kinds 1218 01:01:07,740 --> 01:01:03,910 of places went to conferences in Florida 1219 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:07,750 and Michigan California all the major 1220 01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,450 conferences because I had that pass that 1221 01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:11,680 astral travel 1222 01:01:19,260 --> 01:01:16,030 Wow but well I I give you a credit to 1223 01:01:22,410 --> 01:01:19,270 that would you ever do that again in a 1224 01:01:24,810 --> 01:01:22,420 heartbeat I would I would all right all 1225 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:24,820 right well say the curtain save the 1226 01:01:30,450 --> 01:01:27,130 first-class seat next year save me the 1227 01:01:31,890 --> 01:01:30,460 first-class seat next to you but I guess 1228 01:01:36,450 --> 01:01:31,900 you didn't have any time for any 1229 01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:36,460 paranormal experiences on that on that 1230 01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:41,710 one but have you ever spending my sigh 1231 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:45,040 have you ever seen a UFO no I don't 1232 01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:47,650 think I have personally but I hadn't 1233 01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:49,900 experienced when I was like four or five 1234 01:01:56,490 --> 01:01:52,710 years old I remember I was in my crib 1235 01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:56,500 and I was crying for some reason and I 1236 01:02:01,650 --> 01:01:58,930 saw I looked out to my venetian blinds 1237 01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:01,660 in my window and I saw a green elf 1238 01:02:05,310 --> 01:02:03,160 looking creature come through the 1239 01:02:08,340 --> 01:02:05,320 venetian blinds and disappear into my 1240 01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,350 toy closet and whether I was 1241 01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:10,000 hallucinating because I had a fever 1242 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:12,310 whether I really saw something I don't 1243 01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:15,010 know what it was but obviously it had 1244 01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:17,260 affected me the rest of my life it kind 1245 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:19,330 of steered me in the direction being a 1246 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:23,170 little more open to things I'm sure I 1247 01:02:27,150 --> 01:02:25,090 don't know what it was don't know you 1248 01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:27,160 you've acted you've acted as an 1249 01:02:33,780 --> 01:02:30,730 ambassador to four am you fund have you 1250 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:33,790 investigated any of the hard core cases 1251 01:02:40,859 --> 01:02:37,450 that we know about or are cases that in 1252 01:02:44,140 --> 01:02:40,869 your mind really stand out well I was 1253 01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,150 as state director for MUFON for Hawaii I 1254 01:02:49,929 --> 01:02:46,400 got involved in a lot of investigation 1255 01:02:52,229 --> 01:02:49,939 of sightings and this and that and some 1256 01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:52,239 of the stories that appear in our book 1257 01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:55,880 came from my interviews of people that 1258 01:03:04,539 --> 01:02:58,880 had remarkable outstanding cases in 1259 01:03:07,650 --> 01:03:04,549 Hawaii no doubt well you know UFOs UFOs 1260 01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:07,660 of course are a part of the Hawaiians 1261 01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,039 shamanic past I've been on I guess it 1262 01:03:18,489 --> 01:03:15,920 was mysteries in the national parks and 1263 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:18,499 it was a segment about UFOs in the 1264 01:03:28,089 --> 01:03:21,410 Hawaii letters seen coming out of the 1265 01:03:30,959 --> 01:03:28,099 volcano there yes on Maui is the scene 1266 01:03:33,489 --> 01:03:30,969 of many sightings why well the sky is 1267 01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:33,499 crystal clear late at night from the 1268 01:03:37,779 --> 01:03:35,420 altitude that you're in you have a huge 1269 01:03:39,579 --> 01:03:37,789 view of the sky and people do have 1270 01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:39,589 experiences and some of them may be 1271 01:03:45,989 --> 01:03:42,799 connected mystically to Maui and others 1272 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:45,999 maybe that they simply have exposure to 1273 01:03:50,859 --> 01:03:48,650 more possibilities looking at the night 1274 01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:50,869 skies but I want to tell you I've had 1275 01:03:57,429 --> 01:03:52,910 cases for example and one of these is in 1276 01:03:59,259 --> 01:03:57,439 our book of a Harvard ph.d faculty 1277 01:04:02,349 --> 01:03:59,269 member at the University of Hawaii who 1278 01:04:05,259 --> 01:04:02,359 has his experience in Honolulu of seeing 1279 01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:05,269 a craft just go right over her head from 1280 01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:07,249 a golf course over the highway into the 1281 01:04:09,579 --> 01:04:07,849 mountains 1282 01:04:11,939 --> 01:04:09,589 he had a witness in the car with him 1283 01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:11,949 he's as credible as you can get and that 1284 01:04:19,059 --> 01:04:16,609 got him absolutely on a path to read 1285 01:04:21,489 --> 01:04:19,069 hundreds of books and come to meetings 1286 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:21,499 and discussion groups and became a good 1287 01:04:26,439 --> 01:04:24,650 friend and shared his experiences there 1288 01:04:29,859 --> 01:04:26,449 are many people in Hawaii that have 1289 01:04:32,019 --> 01:04:29,869 regular UFO experiences like anybody 1290 01:04:34,329 --> 01:04:32,029 else elsewhere that are not necessarily 1291 01:04:37,539 --> 01:04:34,339 mystically oriented former flight 1292 01:04:39,130 --> 01:04:37,549 attendants like I said a PhD faculty 1293 01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:39,140 member University of Hawaii 1294 01:04:45,339 --> 01:04:43,369 people on boats offshore Hawaii seem to 1295 01:04:48,609 --> 01:04:45,349 be kind of a hotbed for sightings over 1296 01:04:50,979 --> 01:04:48,619 the years no doubt yeah it doesn't it 1297 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:50,989 doesn't seem to get that much attention 1298 01:04:59,140 --> 01:04:54,050 in the in the media now 1299 01:05:02,920 --> 01:04:59,150 I remember there's a celebrity and maybe 1300 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:02,930 you can remember him his his name he was 1301 01:05:12,490 --> 01:05:10,370 on hee haw Artie Johnson Oh laughing ok 1302 01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:12,500 well alright I got my program wrong but 1303 01:05:17,650 --> 01:05:16,190 but anyway he we used to speak I 1304 01:05:20,980 --> 01:05:17,660 remember when I was you know 1305 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:20,990 interviewing people for the tabloids and 1306 01:05:26,410 --> 01:05:23,810 he had regular air sightings on on 1307 01:05:29,590 --> 01:05:26,420 Hawaii I mean but he didn't tie a man 1308 01:05:32,890 --> 01:05:29,600 with necessarily with a de planetary you 1309 01:05:37,390 --> 01:05:32,900 know hardships he saw them more in the 1310 01:05:39,490 --> 01:05:37,400 sense of a cultural phenomena but these 1311 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:39,500 things were coming down they were 1312 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:42,170 smaller than you know the mother ships 1313 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:44,090 and Close Encounters but they were 1314 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:47,450 coming down and actually uh lighting and 1315 01:05:52,210 --> 01:05:50,210 people's trees and landing on their ruse 1316 01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:52,220 and I think in a couple of occasions 1317 01:05:57,850 --> 01:05:55,190 coming down you know chimneys are threw 1318 01:06:00,340 --> 01:05:57,860 up in the windows and you know people 1319 01:06:02,110 --> 01:06:00,350 said oh it's it's a ball lightning or 1320 01:06:04,540 --> 01:06:02,120 something but it didn't act like ball 1321 01:06:08,850 --> 01:06:04,550 like me because as far as we know ball 1322 01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:08,860 act lightning you know is a short term 1323 01:06:13,330 --> 01:06:11,630 phenomena and and not like these objects 1324 01:06:17,110 --> 01:06:13,340 with it and some people would have 1325 01:06:19,180 --> 01:06:17,120 sightings on a regular basis and then of 1326 01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:19,190 course you have the story of the the 1327 01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:22,070 Menehune which I've written up and I 1328 01:06:25,780 --> 01:06:23,990 have a book than I did years ago and 1329 01:06:28,570 --> 01:06:25,790 then actually did very well selling to 1330 01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:28,580 the tourists right there Huna powers 1331 01:06:32,890 --> 01:06:30,500 it's still in print and we talked about 1332 01:06:34,770 --> 01:06:32,900 the Menehune and some funk believe that 1333 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:34,780 they may be extraterrestrial these were 1334 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:38,050 the little people that seemed to inhabit 1335 01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:41,210 the island there for a while and they 1336 01:06:46,540 --> 01:06:43,760 built their own roads and their own dams 1337 01:06:47,250 --> 01:06:46,550 and their own little places to live in 1338 01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:47,260 and so forth 1339 01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:52,460 have you heard of those stories you know 1340 01:06:59,410 --> 01:06:56,630 many Hawaiian mythical mythological 1341 01:07:03,310 --> 01:06:59,420 legend stuff but I didn't hear too much 1342 01:07:06,490 --> 01:07:03,320 of that connecting it with let's just 1343 01:07:08,020 --> 01:07:06,500 say UFO sightings that nature but but 1344 01:07:09,730 --> 01:07:08,030 but Hawaii is really 1345 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:09,740 steeped in what you're saying these 1346 01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:13,730 legends and there are people who have 1347 01:07:20,290 --> 01:07:17,150 had paranormal events as well as like 1348 01:07:23,770 --> 01:07:20,300 you say you Falah djegal or other kinds 1349 01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,780 of phenomena no question about it Hawaii 1350 01:07:29,950 --> 01:07:26,480 does have that kind of mysticism from 1351 01:07:35,140 --> 01:07:29,960 the past but it really did have over the 1352 01:07:36,790 --> 01:07:35,150 years many people sighting objects UFOs 1353 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:36,800 because I mean you're right out there in 1354 01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:39,650 the middle of the Pacific and and it's 1355 01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:42,470 the skies are just black other than just 1356 01:07:47,830 --> 01:07:45,200 the lights from Honolulu and and so the 1357 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:47,840 opportunity to see and experience things 1358 01:07:54,790 --> 01:07:52,490 is probably better there than it is for 1359 01:07:58,840 --> 01:07:54,800 you know place is saturated with life 1360 01:08:03,160 --> 01:07:58,850 and people and you know busyness of 1361 01:08:05,260 --> 01:08:03,170 cities well you've got it seems like 1362 01:08:12,570 --> 01:08:05,270 you've got a lot more going on than just 1363 01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:12,580 delicious Kona coffee absolutely I would 1364 01:08:19,420 --> 01:08:17,510 well so I you were telling me before you 1365 01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:19,430 had some things you wanted asq rosemary 1366 01:08:26,740 --> 01:08:23,330 about travel well yeah we've only got 1367 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:26,750 about two minutes before our bottom of 1368 01:08:32,740 --> 01:08:29,930 the hour break so we can't get too too 1369 01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:32,750 much into this but we'll start this and 1370 01:08:37,180 --> 01:08:35,089 then we'll continue it on into the next 1371 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:37,190 segment after the breaks but rosemary I 1372 01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:39,530 mean I know that you have traveled 1373 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:43,040 extensively you know in your life I mean 1374 01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:46,330 what about you I mean have have you had 1375 01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:51,380 any unusual experiences and when you go 1376 01:08:55,930 --> 01:08:52,250 on year walkabouts 1377 01:08:58,030 --> 01:08:55,940 I certainly have Tim and I haven't 1378 01:09:02,559 --> 01:08:58,040 travelled us extensively as Michael he 1379 01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:02,569 hit at least a hundred countries in his 1380 01:09:09,070 --> 01:09:06,170 travels but I've spent a great deal of 1381 01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:09,080 time in England in Europe Canada I've 1382 01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,680 been to Australia I've been to Asia and 1383 01:09:18,649 --> 01:09:14,880 Russia and 1384 01:09:21,859 --> 01:09:18,659 being interested in in these topics I am 1385 01:09:23,689 --> 01:09:21,869 a seeker so I often go looking for 1386 01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,699 experiences I wanted to go to places 1387 01:09:29,029 --> 01:09:25,440 that are haunted I want to go to sacred 1388 01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:29,039 sites and I prepped myself you know 1389 01:09:33,109 --> 01:09:31,049 hoping to have some kind of you know 1390 01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:33,119 extraordinary experience and many times 1391 01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:35,880 I do and sometimes I don't and it's true 1392 01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:37,799 that sometimes the harder you look for 1393 01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,239 it the more elusive it is but I've also 1394 01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,400 had experiences that just sort of burst 1395 01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:46,400 on you spontaneously 1396 01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,710 and sometimes those are the most 1397 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:52,319 powerful and the most significant so I'd 1398 01:09:56,959 --> 01:09:55,530 be happy to share an example of that or 1399 01:10:00,520 --> 01:09:56,969 so when we come back from the break if 1400 01:10:02,810 --> 01:10:00,530 we're just about to to head out here oh 1401 01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:02,820 definitely definitely we'll definitely 1402 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:06,000 pick this up when we come back and so 1403 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:09,690 Tim it is time for our bottom of the 1404 01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:13,530 hour break so we'll go and take this and 1405 01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:15,920 when we come back we will continue our 1406 01:10:24,069 --> 01:10:20,400 conversation about strange travels with 1407 01:10:27,799 --> 01:10:24,079 Mike and rosemary so stay tuned for more 1408 01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:27,809 exploring the bizarre yeah I got my 1409 01:10:43,989 --> 01:10:41,410 now back to exploring the bazaar with 1410 01:10:47,290 --> 01:10:43,999 two of the most electrifying researchers 1411 01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:47,300 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 1412 01:10:57,399 --> 01:10:53,449 Lee Anton Swartz Tim such a fun show 1413 01:10:59,529 --> 01:10:57,409 tonight I'm learning so much in I feel 1414 01:11:02,080 --> 01:10:59,539 like I feel like I'm floating up we 1415 01:11:06,609 --> 01:11:02,090 don't need no airplane to fly it I'm 1416 01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:06,619 floating on the air well before we had 1417 01:11:13,060 --> 01:11:10,369 to go to our break rosemary was going to 1418 01:11:16,959 --> 01:11:13,070 tell us some interesting stories on her 1419 01:11:19,899 --> 01:11:16,969 own so rosemary please continue I wanted 1420 01:11:23,649 --> 01:11:19,909 to share a spontaneous experience that I 1421 01:11:27,129 --> 01:11:23,659 had while traveling and I was a speaker 1422 01:11:28,779 --> 01:11:27,139 at a conference in Montreal this is the 1423 01:11:31,209 --> 01:11:28,789 integral Institute International 1424 01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:31,219 integral Institute for human sciences 1425 01:11:37,779 --> 01:11:34,820 and it's fairly big conference I was one 1426 01:11:39,339 --> 01:11:37,789 of the visiting faculty I'd never been 1427 01:11:40,330 --> 01:11:39,349 to Montreal before I was quite excited 1428 01:11:45,459 --> 01:11:40,340 about it 1429 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:45,469 and the whole experience started when I 1430 01:11:52,209 --> 01:11:48,170 ran into PMH Atwater in the ladies room 1431 01:11:54,009 --> 01:11:52,219 on the sunday of the weekend and PMH 1432 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:54,019 Atwater is an internationally known 1433 01:11:58,660 --> 01:11:56,690 expert on near-death experience and she 1434 01:12:02,979 --> 01:11:58,670 said hey how'd you like to play hooky 1435 01:12:04,989 --> 01:12:02,989 today and go see the black coffin and I 1436 01:12:08,169 --> 01:12:04,999 had no idea I'd never heard of the black 1437 01:12:10,299 --> 01:12:08,179 coffin but when she explained to me what 1438 01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:10,309 it was and why it was significant I was 1439 01:12:15,759 --> 01:12:12,710 intrigued and so I said sure you know I 1440 01:12:17,410 --> 01:12:15,769 was up for an adventure now I had always 1441 01:12:18,759 --> 01:12:17,420 been interested in the literature of the 1442 01:12:21,759 --> 01:12:18,769 saints in fact I've done an 1443 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:21,769 encyclopaedia on the Saints and their 1444 01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:26,090 relics and miracles but the short of it 1445 01:12:32,109 --> 01:12:28,190 is that the black coffin is of black 1446 01:12:34,750 --> 01:12:32,119 marble coffin where an individual named 1447 01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:34,760 frere Andre buther brother Andre is 1448 01:12:42,189 --> 01:12:37,820 buried and this huge oratory dedicated 1449 01:12:44,679 --> 01:12:42,199 to his patron saint st. Joseph 1450 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:44,689 millions of pilgrims from around the 1451 01:12:50,770 --> 01:12:48,050 world come to the Oratory to pray for 1452 01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:50,780 healing because frere andre was a healer 1453 01:12:58,060 --> 01:12:55,760 and the walls are covered with crutches 1454 01:13:00,069 --> 01:12:58,070 and canes and things that people have 1455 01:13:01,779 --> 01:13:00,079 had spontaneous healings and they've 1456 01:13:05,709 --> 01:13:01,789 been able to abandon them on the spot 1457 01:13:09,489 --> 01:13:05,719 and for andre is is buried there and 1458 01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:09,499 this huge black coffin and people come 1459 01:13:14,529 --> 01:13:12,590 and pray at the coffin for healing now i 1460 01:13:17,529 --> 01:13:14,539 didn't know anything about frere andre 1461 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:17,539 had never been to the Oratory but it 1462 01:13:22,929 --> 01:13:19,130 sounded like an interesting experience 1463 01:13:25,779 --> 01:13:22,939 so several of us tripped off and joined 1464 01:13:28,060 --> 01:13:25,789 a huge throng of pilgrims who were 1465 01:13:32,379 --> 01:13:28,070 coming there on Sunday for a healing and 1466 01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:32,389 a line snaked quite a ways out people 1467 01:13:37,569 --> 01:13:34,400 waiting to come and touch the coffin 1468 01:13:39,129 --> 01:13:37,579 so as PMH Atwater explained to me she 1469 01:13:40,959 --> 01:13:39,139 said you can pray for anything at the 1470 01:13:44,169 --> 01:13:40,969 coffin people usually touch it and ask 1471 01:13:45,759 --> 01:13:44,179 for Andre to intercede for them and in 1472 01:13:49,209 --> 01:13:45,769 some way and it's usually for a healing 1473 01:13:51,850 --> 01:13:49,219 purpose so I had no healing purpose that 1474 01:13:55,409 --> 01:13:51,860 I needed but when I got up to the coffin 1475 01:14:01,209 --> 01:13:55,419 I placed my hands on it and I was 1476 01:14:03,129 --> 01:14:01,219 immediately swept up into this energy 1477 01:14:06,669 --> 01:14:03,139 that I can only describe as a mystical 1478 01:14:09,069 --> 01:14:06,679 experience and very similar to what the 1479 01:14:12,069 --> 01:14:09,079 Saints described as raptures where they 1480 01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:12,079 feel they are swept up by a fiery energy 1481 01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:15,249 and it was a fiery energy I felt like 1482 01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:19,489 divine fire was I was surrounded by it 1483 01:14:27,009 --> 01:14:22,070 and permeated by it and I was pulled up 1484 01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:27,019 into this divine presence and this fiery 1485 01:14:35,620 --> 01:14:32,719 energy was like peeling away layers of 1486 01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,630 junk energetic junk that I didn't need 1487 01:14:43,779 --> 01:14:37,760 anymore it really was an energetic 1488 01:14:46,989 --> 01:14:43,789 healing and I felt I felt that I was in 1489 01:14:48,969 --> 01:14:46,999 the presence of something supreme and 1490 01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:48,979 transcendent and divine that I couldn't 1491 01:14:55,420 --> 01:14:51,590 even put words on to 1492 01:15:00,040 --> 01:14:55,430 and it shook me to the the core of my 1493 01:15:02,980 --> 01:15:00,050 being and I don't know how long I stood 1494 01:15:05,170 --> 01:15:02,990 there at the at the coffin there was 1495 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:05,180 such a press of people behind me many 1496 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:07,250 many other pilgrims who wanted their 1497 01:15:15,630 --> 01:15:11,930 turn to touch the coffin and so I moved 1498 01:15:18,850 --> 01:15:15,640 off then and I was literally in tears 1499 01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:18,860 and I went into a little nearby chapel 1500 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:22,850 and just sat and shook and cried and and 1501 01:15:29,740 --> 01:15:26,210 prayed at what I had experienced it was 1502 01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:29,750 so unexpected and I didn't feel that I 1503 01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,390 had been like anointed appointed 1504 01:15:39,550 --> 01:15:34,880 purified or whatever but something had 1505 01:15:41,710 --> 01:15:39,560 peeled off of me in this divine fire and 1506 01:15:42,460 --> 01:15:41,720 it was through the intercession of frere 1507 01:15:46,090 --> 01:15:42,470 Andre 1508 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:46,100 well this stimulated me to look into the 1509 01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:48,170 background of Prayer Andre and I wound 1510 01:15:53,650 --> 01:15:50,510 up putting him in the encyclopedia even 1511 01:15:57,370 --> 01:15:53,660 though he's never even made it to he's 1512 01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:57,380 not beatified he's not canonized and in 1513 01:16:02,350 --> 01:16:00,320 fact he was not well regarded by his own 1514 01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:02,360 order the congregation of the Holy Cross 1515 01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:05,840 he was an uneducated man who wanted to 1516 01:16:11,140 --> 01:16:08,480 dedicate himself to the service of the 1517 01:16:13,870 --> 01:16:11,150 church and he had to beg his way into 1518 01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:13,880 this congregation of the Holy Cross and 1519 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:16,550 they finally took pity on him and said 1520 01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:18,530 well he could be a doorkeeper that was 1521 01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:23,120 his job but prayer Andre had an unusual 1522 01:16:30,730 --> 01:16:26,330 healing ability and this was discovered 1523 01:16:32,710 --> 01:16:30,740 by people and he could lay hands on 1524 01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:32,720 people and heal them he could heal them 1525 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:36,800 by word very much in the style of Jesus 1526 01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:39,530 and it was quite profound and so pretty 1527 01:16:44,020 --> 01:16:41,710 soon he was going out into the community 1528 01:16:46,540 --> 01:16:44,030 off-hours when he wasn't working and he 1529 01:16:48,580 --> 01:16:46,550 was ministering to people well sadly 1530 01:16:50,410 --> 01:16:48,590 this did not sit well with the 1531 01:16:52,540 --> 01:16:50,420 authorities of the congregation because 1532 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:52,550 who was this lowly doorkeeper going out 1533 01:16:57,250 --> 01:16:54,290 and healing people you know he wasn't 1534 01:17:01,200 --> 01:16:57,260 even you know sanctioned to do this by 1535 01:17:05,310 --> 01:17:01,210 the congregation or the church but 1536 01:17:09,379 --> 01:17:05,320 popularity won out he a 1537 01:17:12,180 --> 01:17:09,389 acquired such a following that the 1538 01:17:15,689 --> 01:17:12,190 congregation could no longer ignore this 1539 01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:15,699 and so they started giving him greater 1540 01:17:21,959 --> 01:17:18,520 status and latitude and he wound up 1541 01:17:24,959 --> 01:17:21,969 convincing the order and the Catholic 1542 01:17:27,089 --> 01:17:24,969 institution the Catholic Church to build 1543 01:17:29,790 --> 01:17:27,099 this oratory he said his healing power 1544 01:17:32,850 --> 01:17:29,800 came from his patron saint st. Joseph 1545 01:17:35,459 --> 01:17:32,860 the father of Jesus and he convinced 1546 01:17:39,899 --> 01:17:35,469 them to build this very impressive 1547 01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:39,909 oratory in Montreal and so that's the 1548 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:43,840 place that's there and it was just out 1549 01:17:50,250 --> 01:17:47,050 of the blue something I wasn't looking 1550 01:17:51,959 --> 01:17:50,260 for wasn't expecting never thought 1551 01:17:54,990 --> 01:17:51,969 something like that would happen to me 1552 01:17:56,220 --> 01:17:55,000 and yet I seem to be in the right place 1553 01:18:00,300 --> 01:17:56,230 at the right time 1554 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:00,310 now I was active on the visiting faculty 1555 01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:02,170 for the Institute for a number of years 1556 01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:03,880 and so I made other trips back to 1557 01:18:09,930 --> 01:18:06,280 Montreal to teach at the conference's 1558 01:18:12,569 --> 01:18:09,940 and every time I went I always went to 1559 01:18:15,140 --> 01:18:12,579 the oratory and I would touch the black 1560 01:18:18,930 --> 01:18:15,150 coffin and I would pray in the chapel 1561 01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:18,940 and I never had another experience like 1562 01:18:23,729 --> 01:18:21,070 that and that's the way it is with 1563 01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:23,739 mystical experiences they do not repeat 1564 01:18:28,109 --> 01:18:26,409 you get what you need from it and then 1565 01:18:30,030 --> 01:18:28,119 maybe you have other experiences that 1566 01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:30,040 are significant but you're not going to 1567 01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:33,280 get the same experience again that's 1568 01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:35,590 really that's that's fascinating that 1569 01:18:39,959 --> 01:18:37,090 you know you would have the one 1570 01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:39,969 experience like you said and then never 1571 01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:46,239 again does that happen with other people 1572 01:18:54,569 --> 01:18:50,110 that they will have one epiphany so to 1573 01:18:56,459 --> 01:18:54,579 speak and then that's it well it does 1574 01:18:59,310 --> 01:18:56,469 and you know like I said maybe they go 1575 01:19:02,760 --> 01:18:59,320 and they have other experiences that are 1576 01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:02,770 meaningful in extraordinary ways but I 1577 01:19:07,379 --> 01:19:05,230 did a book on miracles in fact they did 1578 01:19:09,089 --> 01:19:07,389 a couple of books on miracles develop 1579 01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:09,099 your miracle mind consciousness in a 1580 01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:11,110 pocket full of miracles and I 1581 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:13,110 interviewed a lot of people about their 1582 01:19:18,089 --> 01:19:15,610 miraculous and transcendent and mystical 1583 01:19:19,050 --> 01:19:18,099 experiences same thing they would 1584 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:19,060 describe the 1585 01:19:25,290 --> 01:19:22,930 spontaneous experiences that were so 1586 01:19:27,090 --> 01:19:25,300 wonderful so rapturous and they would 1587 01:19:29,610 --> 01:19:27,100 want to have them again and try and 1588 01:19:31,950 --> 01:19:29,620 recreate the circumstances for it and it 1589 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:31,960 just wouldn't happen but when you have 1590 01:19:36,900 --> 01:19:34,330 experiences like this any sort of 1591 01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:36,910 extraordinary experience whether it's a 1592 01:19:46,980 --> 01:19:41,110 paranormal or seeing a craft or aliens 1593 01:19:49,380 --> 01:19:46,990 or a mystical uprush it does open you to 1594 01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:49,390 other kinds of experiences it returns 1595 01:19:55,650 --> 01:19:53,440 your consciousness wiring and so then 1596 01:19:58,590 --> 01:19:55,660 you are more predisposed to have other 1597 01:20:01,770 --> 01:19:58,600 kinds of experiences and I think this is 1598 01:20:03,810 --> 01:20:01,780 a snowball effect you know it your 1599 01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:03,820 experience reminds me a lot of something 1600 01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:06,880 that that happened to me years ago when 1601 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:10,770 I was in Egypt I was traveling with a 1602 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:14,530 group of US government officials and we 1603 01:20:19,770 --> 01:20:17,290 were given a tour early-morning tour of 1604 01:20:23,790 --> 01:20:19,780 the Great Pyramid there on the Giza 1605 01:20:25,890 --> 01:20:23,800 Plateau and our tour guide was a 1606 01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:25,900 government of Egyptian government 1607 01:20:31,290 --> 01:20:27,640 official not a regular tour guide and 1608 01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:31,300 what we were in the King's Chamber this 1609 01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:34,590 this government guide encouraged me to 1610 01:20:42,660 --> 01:20:40,510 try to lay down in the the scoffing as 1611 01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,670 that you know they you know it's really 1612 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:44,560 it's nothing more than a credit box and 1613 01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:46,810 very short yeah I mean it's you can't 1614 01:20:51,060 --> 01:20:48,490 you really have to kind of like you know 1615 01:20:54,060 --> 01:20:51,070 bend your legs to get into it when I got 1616 01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:54,070 into it I had this experience that I 1617 01:21:03,060 --> 01:20:57,040 still have trouble describing it because 1618 01:21:06,420 --> 01:21:03,070 I've it seemed almost like that I lived 1619 01:21:10,230 --> 01:21:06,430 another life in ancient Egypt that I 1620 01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:10,240 lived this entire lifetime in just like 1621 01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:13,150 a half a second that I was lying down in 1622 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:16,450 this psychologist and then when I was 1623 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:18,970 taken out of it I basically forgot most 1624 01:21:23,130 --> 01:21:20,770 of it I am i was left with it an 1625 01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,140 impression and every once in a while 1626 01:21:30,180 --> 01:21:25,600 I'll get a fleeting memory of what 1627 01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:30,190 happened but that was that was it and I 1628 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:32,710 it was the most unusual thing 1629 01:21:39,330 --> 01:21:35,050 that ever happened to me and and 1630 01:21:43,650 --> 01:21:39,340 frustrating at the same time because the 1631 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:43,660 memory is there it's hard to describe 1632 01:21:49,490 --> 01:21:46,570 it's there but it's not well that's 1633 01:21:52,350 --> 01:21:49,500 interesting and I've heard similar 1634 01:21:55,410 --> 01:21:52,360 accounts about that sarcophagus I've 1635 01:21:58,740 --> 01:21:55,420 been there myself and I also laid in the 1636 01:22:01,500 --> 01:21:58,750 sarcophagus and the I can only describe 1637 01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:01,510 it and I think you've just validated it 1638 01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:04,030 for me that it must be some sort of like 1639 01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:06,489 time machine hmm 1640 01:22:12,209 --> 01:22:09,719 when as soon as I laid down in it I felt 1641 01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:12,219 immediately pulled back into the past 1642 01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:16,150 and it was Egypt and I had this 1643 01:22:21,300 --> 01:22:19,270 recollection of having lived there in 1644 01:22:24,150 --> 01:22:21,310 the past now someone could say well you 1645 01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:24,160 know this is projection you go to Egypt 1646 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:25,810 you know a lot of people think they have 1647 01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:28,210 past lives in Egypt and you're inside 1648 01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:31,210 the pyramid so but I don't think that's 1649 01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:34,660 the case too many people have had 1650 01:22:39,570 --> 01:22:37,930 similar experiences like that and there 1651 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:39,580 may be something about the energy in 1652 01:22:46,050 --> 01:22:43,510 that pyramid and that particular you 1653 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:46,060 know the the sarcophagus there that 1654 01:22:52,340 --> 01:22:49,810 opens that portal for people and maybe 1655 01:22:58,350 --> 01:22:52,350 not everybody has that experience but 1656 01:23:01,440 --> 01:22:58,360 enough people do so that's that's really 1657 01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:01,450 interesting validation for me yeah well 1658 01:23:05,310 --> 01:23:03,910 I mean out of our entire group I was the 1659 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:05,320 only one at least as far as I know 1660 01:23:10,950 --> 01:23:07,330 nobody else ever you know described 1661 01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,960 having a similar experience I was the 1662 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:12,400 only one in the group that had something 1663 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:14,170 like that everybody else just you know 1664 01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:16,330 got in got out and you know that that 1665 01:23:23,010 --> 01:23:19,630 was it so yeah it's just one of the more 1666 01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:23,020 you know bizarre experiences that that I 1667 01:23:33,420 --> 01:23:26,910 ever had so when it comes to having 1668 01:23:35,580 --> 01:23:33,430 these kinds of experiences Michael does 1669 01:23:39,150 --> 01:23:35,590 does somebody have to you know like 1670 01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:39,160 travel halfway around the world to seek 1671 01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,160 out these things or you know I mean can 1672 01:23:46,420 --> 01:23:44,320 they just you know find the finds 1673 01:23:51,010 --> 01:23:46,430 interesting things of their own State 1674 01:23:55,060 --> 01:23:51,020 I think from people who have kind of 1675 01:23:57,010 --> 01:23:55,070 morphed from being tourists to travelers 1676 01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,020 that is people who get more deeply 1677 01:24:01,660 --> 01:23:59,600 involved in the experience of traveling 1678 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:01,670 and get involved with the cultures and 1679 01:24:08,710 --> 01:24:06,410 develop memorable experiences like the 1680 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:08,720 people that they meet that they connect 1681 01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:10,570 with and have these more genuine 1682 01:24:18,190 --> 01:24:13,520 connection types of experiences they can 1683 01:24:20,650 --> 01:24:18,200 bring this back and the more experience 1684 01:24:23,470 --> 01:24:20,660 you get with traveling the more you can 1685 01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:23,480 bring back with you the great things 1686 01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:25,850 that you've experienced over there it 1687 01:24:31,810 --> 01:24:29,360 becomes more of your experience so 1688 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:31,820 planning your mundane boring typical 1689 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:35,330 life and that's a benefit of travel so I 1690 01:24:44,050 --> 01:24:40,130 would say that you could probably have 1691 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:44,060 more paranormal and unusual experiences 1692 01:24:50,490 --> 01:24:46,610 the more experienced as a traveler you 1693 01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:50,500 are and the more you'd come back and 1694 01:24:57,190 --> 01:24:54,320 kind of integrate all this growth that 1695 01:25:00,940 --> 01:24:57,200 you had back into your own home 1696 01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:00,950 situation yes it can expand you and open 1697 01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:05,840 you up to more possibilities mm-hmm what 1698 01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:09,520 about just traveling in general I mean 1699 01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:15,620 it seems that we have the ability now 1700 01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:17,840 just you know get onto a jet plane and 1701 01:25:23,290 --> 01:25:20,210 you know fly basically anywhere you know 1702 01:25:25,300 --> 01:25:23,300 on this this planet so I mean if 1703 01:25:27,250 --> 01:25:25,310 somebody is wanting to do something like 1704 01:25:30,370 --> 01:25:27,260 that you know what's your what's your 1705 01:25:34,630 --> 01:25:30,380 suggestions I mean you know what what 1706 01:25:36,490 --> 01:25:34,640 does a person need to do to to go on 1707 01:25:38,020 --> 01:25:36,500 yeah it doesn't even have to be you know 1708 01:25:41,470 --> 01:25:38,030 like a paranormal trip just just 1709 01:25:43,660 --> 01:25:41,480 something you know interesting and get 1710 01:25:45,970 --> 01:25:43,670 them out of their their comfort zone so 1711 01:25:49,330 --> 01:25:45,980 to speak it's almost leave your devices 1712 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:49,340 at home don't leave home without leaving 1713 01:25:54,010 --> 01:25:50,930 them no I'm just being a little 1714 01:25:56,170 --> 01:25:54,020 facetious no we used to go you know see 1715 01:25:58,030 --> 01:25:56,180 the world through our camera lenses now 1716 01:25:59,530 --> 01:25:58,040 we do it through our iPhones and I joke 1717 01:26:01,240 --> 01:25:59,540 around with people people 1718 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:01,250 say oh I want to go to Paris and sit in 1719 01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:03,770 the cafe and talk to a Parisian and 1720 01:26:08,530 --> 01:26:06,290 really interact and connect and all that 1721 01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:08,540 you go to Paris just sit at Starbucks 1722 01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:10,730 there everybody including the French or 1723 01:26:15,790 --> 01:26:12,950 staring at their cell phones you know 1724 01:26:18,850 --> 01:26:15,800 the same thing but the the idea is that 1725 01:26:21,580 --> 01:26:18,860 it when you go to explore and travel and 1726 01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:21,590 seek out novelty and have new 1727 01:26:26,980 --> 01:26:24,560 experiences you can't run on automatic 1728 01:26:30,490 --> 01:26:26,990 you really have to run on all cylinders 1729 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:30,500 you have to be more alert you have to be 1730 01:26:39,670 --> 01:26:34,610 more open and let things happen to you 1731 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:39,680 and just see more look and see listen 1732 01:26:45,370 --> 01:26:43,010 and hear and just dive into the 1733 01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:45,380 experiences which will be coming from 1734 01:26:51,310 --> 01:26:48,050 you at all from all directions very 1735 01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:51,320 intensely and you'll have all this new 1736 01:26:58,060 --> 01:26:55,280 novelty and stimuli be open to it absorb 1737 01:27:00,400 --> 01:26:58,070 it and grow with it that's what I say 1738 01:27:04,530 --> 01:27:00,410 what would you say what would you say 1739 01:27:07,540 --> 01:27:04,540 Michael are the top two three or four 1740 01:27:10,900 --> 01:27:07,550 places to visit where people are having 1741 01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:10,910 paranoia is it so Sedona I mean what are 1742 01:27:16,660 --> 01:27:13,310 the the top places where people are 1743 01:27:19,140 --> 01:27:16,670 reporting back to you I think countries 1744 01:27:21,790 --> 01:27:19,150 that have really old histories like 1745 01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:21,800 Central Europe and France and England 1746 01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:26,450 that have such long histories of people 1747 01:27:33,820 --> 01:27:30,650 through throughout the ages you know you 1748 01:27:36,990 --> 01:27:33,830 you don't just tap into a modern 1749 01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:37,000 development you you get to experience 1750 01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:39,170 cultures that have been around and 1751 01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:42,320 evolving for for centuries so you have a 1752 01:27:48,820 --> 01:27:46,250 lot of history you have a lot of a lot 1753 01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:48,830 of psychic energy a lot of places but 1754 01:27:52,570 --> 01:27:50,690 but I'd say you know almost if I had to 1755 01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:52,580 pick one area of the world where it 1756 01:27:58,690 --> 01:27:55,690 seems like people seem to have more 1757 01:28:00,970 --> 01:27:58,700 unusual paranormal kinds of experiences 1758 01:28:04,780 --> 01:28:00,980 I would have to say the United Kingdom 1759 01:28:08,190 --> 01:28:04,790 in my mind and also Ireland you know to 1760 01:28:11,050 --> 01:28:08,200 my way of thinking well well of course 1761 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:11,060 if you want to go check out the Loch 1762 01:28:16,630 --> 01:28:13,250 Ness you've got probably 1763 01:28:20,890 --> 01:28:16,640 a 9 or 10 hours of the most beautiful 1764 01:28:24,250 --> 01:28:20,900 scenic route from London onto to 1765 01:28:26,170 --> 01:28:24,260 Scotland I took the the night train to 1766 01:28:28,270 --> 01:28:26,180 Inverness you know and you wake up in 1767 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:28,280 the morning and there's all this lush 1768 01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:32,530 glorious greenery and in little love 1769 01:28:38,740 --> 01:28:35,330 ponds and lakes and streams and things 1770 01:28:40,570 --> 01:28:38,750 that you go by I I have to say that at 1771 01:28:43,690 --> 01:28:40,580 least when I went in the eighties that 1772 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:43,700 to me was the most glorious sight I 1773 01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:46,970 guess I had ever laid eyes on and and of 1774 01:28:52,420 --> 01:28:49,250 course that did have that experience 1775 01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:52,430 near stonehenge of signaling to what 1776 01:28:58,510 --> 01:28:54,310 might have been a UFO and getting a 1777 01:29:01,210 --> 01:28:58,520 response and having traveled and spoken 1778 01:29:04,570 --> 01:29:01,220 to my friend Brinsley Laporte reg who 1779 01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:04,580 was the 8th Earl and party and yeah and 1780 01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:07,370 we had a little unofficial meeting there 1781 01:29:13,060 --> 01:29:09,170 at the House of Lords in front of about 1782 01:29:15,460 --> 01:29:13,070 a hundred members of parliament and of 1783 01:29:17,020 --> 01:29:15,470 course people were you know either way 1784 01:29:19,420 --> 01:29:17,030 up to Loch Ness we're having all sorts 1785 01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:19,430 of experiences and and some people were 1786 01:29:25,150 --> 01:29:22,610 getting the opportunity to see Nestle or 1787 01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:25,160 at least thinking that they had seen you 1788 01:29:29,770 --> 01:29:27,050 know and now we we are setting our 1789 01:29:33,340 --> 01:29:29,780 sights on the Stars it's built into us 1790 01:29:36,850 --> 01:29:33,350 we're hardwired to do this and we have 1791 01:29:39,100 --> 01:29:36,860 insatiable curiosity and at least 1792 01:29:42,940 --> 01:29:39,110 rosemary and I through our books and and 1793 01:29:45,250 --> 01:29:42,950 you also with all your endeavors we're 1794 01:29:48,430 --> 01:29:45,260 all on the road to strange together you 1795 01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:48,440 know well we are well you know we're 1796 01:29:54,670 --> 01:29:52,250 closing in on the midnight hour and we 1797 01:29:59,710 --> 01:29:54,680 do with Tim as usual want to go one last 1798 01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:59,720 time around the the table here so that 1799 01:30:03,550 --> 01:30:01,760 we can ask our guests what they're 1800 01:30:05,770 --> 01:30:03,560 working on there currently and how our 1801 01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:05,780 listeners can get in touch with them and 1802 01:30:09,970 --> 01:30:08,480 become involved in the experience I 1803 01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:09,980 guess that's the best way I could 1804 01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:12,170 describe it so why don't we start out 1805 01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:16,490 with rosemary give it a shot everybody 1806 01:30:20,860 --> 01:30:18,050 tell us what you're doing because I know 1807 01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:20,870 you're always busy I always have a 1808 01:30:24,610 --> 01:30:22,610 number of books in the works I've just 1809 01:30:26,270 --> 01:30:24,620 put the finishing touches on guide to 1810 01:30:28,250 --> 01:30:26,280 psychic protection which will 1811 01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:28,260 out later this year I think it's going 1812 01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:31,520 to be my 67th or sixty-eight book and 1813 01:30:36,589 --> 01:30:34,650 I've just launched a new website for my 1814 01:30:38,660 --> 01:30:36,599 publishing company visionary living 1815 01:30:43,220 --> 01:30:38,670 publishing which is part of visionary 1816 01:30:45,950 --> 01:30:43,230 living Inc and that's @ww visionary 1817 01:30:49,939 --> 01:30:45,960 living publishing dot-com you can see 1818 01:30:51,979 --> 01:30:49,949 Michaels bio up there information about 1819 01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:51,989 our book all the other books and authors 1820 01:31:00,049 --> 01:30:56,130 that I publish it's now who are you who 1821 01:31:01,189 --> 01:31:00,059 are you publishing yet beside what have 1822 01:31:05,870 --> 01:31:01,199 you got in the works that's from other 1823 01:31:08,359 --> 01:31:05,880 authors I have paranormal people I have 1824 01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:08,369 psychics and mediums I've got English 1825 01:31:13,339 --> 01:31:11,130 psychic psychics and mediums I just 1826 01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:13,349 published very well-known over there 1827 01:31:20,029 --> 01:31:17,130 Stewart James and Foy and Dean James Foy 1828 01:31:23,060 --> 01:31:20,039 Karl Petri who's a psychic medium here 1829 01:31:25,310 --> 01:31:23,070 in America my new book just launched 1830 01:31:29,540 --> 01:31:25,320 today sue Misano who's a healer the 1831 01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:29,550 healing journey just came out I've 1832 01:31:36,979 --> 01:31:32,760 co-authored books with John Zaffis and 1833 01:31:38,660 --> 01:31:36,989 Rick Fisher and Darren Evans I've got a 1834 01:31:42,529 --> 01:31:38,670 Bigfoot book coming out from Paul 1835 01:31:44,689 --> 01:31:42,539 Johnson a lot of people in the fields of 1836 01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:44,699 body mind spirit and the paranormal I 1837 01:31:51,229 --> 01:31:48,320 have 25 titles out to date and 1838 01:31:55,609 --> 01:31:51,239 publishing program of you know modest 1839 01:31:58,010 --> 01:31:55,619 six to ten titles a year yeah modest - 1840 01:32:00,410 --> 01:31:58,020 indeed but do keep us informed because 1841 01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,420 that you know it sounds like some of 1842 01:32:05,899 --> 01:32:02,880 these authors would be a ripe for an 1843 01:32:09,140 --> 01:32:05,909 interview on exploring the bizarre by 1844 01:32:12,859 --> 01:32:09,150 all by all means so you're you're taking 1845 01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:12,869 a lot under your your hat these these 1846 01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:15,090 days and I know you have a monthly 1847 01:32:20,029 --> 01:32:16,650 newsletter you put out you have your own 1848 01:32:25,939 --> 01:32:20,039 show well strange dimensions radios in 1849 01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:25,949 hiatus right now it was on K GRA and I I 1850 01:32:31,580 --> 01:32:29,130 took it off the air because I thought 1851 01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,590 that I might want to do podcasting 1852 01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:34,320 instead something that I could have a 1853 01:32:39,979 --> 01:32:37,050 little more control over content and 1854 01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:39,989 timing and and things like that so 1855 01:32:44,660 --> 01:32:42,630 I'm still looking at various options for 1856 01:32:45,859 --> 01:32:44,670 that and you know meanwhile investing a 1857 01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:45,869 lot of time in building up the 1858 01:32:52,759 --> 01:32:49,170 publishing company mm-hmm 1859 01:32:54,609 --> 01:32:52,769 well indeed and you're at your decides 1860 01:32:57,500 --> 01:32:54,619 to get on the internet 1861 01:33:00,379 --> 01:32:57,510 visionary living.com is my personal site 1862 01:33:04,339 --> 01:33:00,389 and visionary living publishing dot-com 1863 01:33:06,140 --> 01:33:04,349 is the book site all right well all 1864 01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:06,150 right well we got a couple minutes after 1865 01:33:13,279 --> 01:33:08,690 we need to go to Michael here Tim 1866 01:33:15,799 --> 01:33:13,289 so the paranormal and and ufology were a 1867 01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:15,809 subset of the thousands of stories I 1868 01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:18,090 collected I have a new book just about 1869 01:33:25,129 --> 01:33:21,360 ready to come out in days called travel 1870 01:33:27,049 --> 01:33:25,139 tales women alone the me to of travel 1871 01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:27,059 I've put together about a hundred 1872 01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:29,460 accounts of women dealing with sexual 1873 01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:32,159 harassment and assaults and surviving 1874 01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:35,610 him and I think I hope it's a landmark 1875 01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:38,249 book because these are real places of 1876 01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:40,530 travelers that I've come across now that 1877 01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:43,530 that that is that is certainly a timely 1878 01:33:50,649 --> 01:33:47,249 in today's climates you should certainly 1879 01:33:54,410 --> 01:33:50,659 again on some of these talk shows that 1880 01:33:56,750 --> 01:33:54,420 are on the on TV you know in cable all 1881 01:34:00,290 --> 01:33:56,760 day all day long because it's certainly 1882 01:34:03,979 --> 01:34:00,300 a subject that the people are into these 1883 01:34:06,589 --> 01:34:03,989 days during the course yeah and and how 1884 01:34:08,689 --> 01:34:06,599 about as far as your paranormal writing 1885 01:34:10,549 --> 01:34:08,699 goes well I'm going to talk about 1886 01:34:12,739 --> 01:34:10,559 another book we're gonna work on our 1887 01:34:14,359 --> 01:34:12,749 third of the series all right we're 1888 01:34:16,009 --> 01:34:14,369 we're out of time guides good night 1889 01:34:22,410 --> 01:34:16,019 thank you for being with us 1890 01:34:29,230 --> 01:34:25,240 you've been listening to exploring the 1891 01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:29,240 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and to 1892 01:34:35,350 --> 01:34:32,510 Swartz they're taking back the night by 1893 01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:35,360 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 1894 01:34:41,550 --> 01:34:37,970 search of the truly bizarre and totally 1895 01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:41,560 unexplained with you as their combines 1896 01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:44,290 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1897 01:34:51,610 --> 01:34:48,050 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the kco our 1898 01:34:55,030 --> 01:34:51,620 digital radio for more information on 1899 01:34:57,580 --> 01:34:55,040 exploring the bazaars and hosts Timothy 1900 01:35:01,330 --> 01:34:57,590 Becca and Tim Swartz 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